Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ?

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Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ?
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What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Joseph S <jks@selectacast.net>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Joseph S <jks@selectacast.net>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Joseph S <jks@selectacast.net>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Luke Koops <luke.koops@entrust.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? David Rees <drees76@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Joseph S <jks@selectacast.net>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Aidan Van Dyk <aidan@highrise.ca>
Re: What exactly is postgres doing during INSERT/UPDATE ? Pierre Frédéric Caillaud<lists@peufeu.com>
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Luke Koops wrote:
> Joseph S Wrote
>> If I have 14 drives in a RAID 10 to split between data tables
>> and indexes what would be the best way to allocate the drives
>> for performance?
>
> RAID-5 can be much faster than RAID-10 for random reads and writes.  It is much slower than RAID-10 for sequential writes, but about the same for sequential reads.  For typical access patterns, I would put the data and indexes on RAID-5 unless you expect there to be lots of sequential scans.

That's pretty much exactly backwards. RAID-5 will at best slightly
slower than RAID-0 or RAID-10 for sequential reads or random reads.
For sequential writes it performs *terribly*, especially for random
writes. The only write pattern where it performs ok sometimes is
sequential writes of large chunks.

> Always put the transaction logs (WAL Files) on RAID-10 (or RAID-1 if you don't want to dedicate so many drives to the logs).  The only significant performance difference between RAID-10 and RAID-1 is that RAID-1 is much slower (factor of 4 or 5) for random reads.

no, RAID-10 and RAID-1 should perform the same for reads. RAID-10 will
be slower at writes by about a factor equal to the number of mirror
sides.

> I think the ratio of random reads from the transaction logs would typically be quite low.

During normal operation the logs are *never* read, neither randomly
nor sequentially.

> You don't want your transaction logs or any swapfiles on RAID-5.  The slow sequential write performance can be a killer.

As i mentioned sequential writes are the only write case when RAID-5
sometimes ok. However the picture is complicated by transaction
syncing which would make RAID-5 see it more as random i/o. In any case
wal normally doesn't take much disk space so there's not much reason
to use anything but RAID-1.

-- 
greg
http://mit.edu/~gsstark/resume.pdf
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