Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces

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>>>Peter Eisentraut wrote:
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>>>>Marc G. Fournier writes:
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>>>>>It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
>>>>>stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
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>>>>Consider that a failed experiment.  PostgreSQL is driven by the
>>>>development group and, to some extent, by the existing user base.  The
>>>>last thing we need is a marketing department in that mix.
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Then you will have what you want. You will be used by a limited number 
of developers who understand the idea. And you will have ugly dialogues 
like that. This sounds a bit like 'what would happen if all population 
of the world were male'. Or all were developers. You should accept the 
fact that you never have developers on the front line. Even if you take 
Microsoft - I even do not know the name of the chief software engineer 
(do not tell me this is Mr. Gates, he is not - there is a guy with a 
beard, the third richest man in the world or so). Or if you take Oracle 
- you have Larry. Larry is not a developer. Or even with MySQL - you see 
the marketing machine. Even with Linux - I have not seen Linus in the 
press for ages. Or Alan. All 'gurus' are hidden. You take the hype - the 
hype of Bill or the hype of Linus. Or the charming and successfully 
arogant Lary. And make a product out of it and a market. As long as the 
developers of PostgreSQL want to be on the front line - it will be what 
it is - a fine database used by the people who have the clue to talk to 
and understand developers. An uncut diamond.

I actually do not understand why is the whole cry - why not somebody who 
has REALLY the marketing in his/her heart - does not make an open source 
amazingly beautiful and powerful web site. You do not have to ask Bruce 
for that. You get BRICOLAGE - it is free, and it is good - salon.com 
runs on it. You inspire some great designer to do the desing (do not ask 
a developer to do that, otherwise a designer might want to do some code 
and PostgreSQL is lost). Call Mario Garcia (www.mariogarcia.com) - he 
will be proud to help. And you take ten fanatic advocacy people to fill 
in success stories and case studies. News. Whatever.

It does not take that much. It take strong individuals that lead. 
However, some people on HACKERS find special pleasure to kill all 
initiative. I do not see this for first time...

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