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Tom Lane
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Re: Statistics Import and Export
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Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Shubham Khanna <khannashubham1197@gmail.com>
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Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Andrei Lepikhov <a.lepikhov@postgrespro.ru>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Peter Smith <smithpb2250@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bharath Rupireddy <bharath.rupireddyforpostgres@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bertrand Drouvot <bertranddrouvot.pg@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Bertrand Drouvot <bertranddrouvot.pg@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: Statistics Import and Export Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Jeff Davis  writes:
> On Mon, 2024-04-22 at 16:19 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Loading data without stats, and hoping
>> that auto-analyze will catch up sooner not later, is exactly the
>> current behavior that we're doing all this work to get out of.

> That's the disconnect, I think. For me, the main reason I'm excited
> about this work is as a way to solve the bad-plans-after-upgrade
> problem and to repro planner issues outside of production. Avoiding the
> need to ANALYZE at the end of a data load is also a nice convenience,
> but not a primary driver (for me).

Oh, I don't doubt that there are use-cases for dumping stats without
data.  I'm just dubious about the reverse.  I think data+stats should
be the default, even if only because pg_dump's default has always
been to dump everything.  Then there should be a way to get stats
only, and maybe a way to get data only.  Maybe this does argue for a
four-section definition, despite the ensuing churn in the pg_dump API.

> Should we just itemize some common use cases for pg_dump, and then
> choose the defaults that are least likely to cause surprise?

Per above, I don't find any difficulty in deciding what should be the
default.  What I think we need to consider is what the pg_dump and
pg_restore switch sets should be.  There's certainly a few different
ways we could present that; maybe we should sketch out the details for
a couple of ways.

			regards, tom lane


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