Re: incremental backups

Um, no you didn't read my email at all.  I am aware of all of that
and it is clearly outlined in the docs.  My email was about a
specific detail in the process.  Please read it if you want to know
what my actual question was.

Thanks,

Rick

On Jan 26, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Csaba Nagy wrote:

> I didn't read your mail very carefully, but I guess you want:
>
>   - turn on WAL archiving, and archive all WAL logs;
>   - take the file system backup at regular time points, optionally you
> can keep them also for point in time recovery;
>
> Then you always have all the WAL files you need to recover to any
> point
> in time you need. You can then supply all the WAL files which are
> needed
> by the last file system backup to recover after a crash, or you can
> supply all the WAL files up to the time point just before your student
> DBA deleted all your data.
>
> HTH,
> Csaba.
>
>
> On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 18:33, Rick Gigger wrote:
>> I am looking into using WAL archiving for incremental backups.  It
>> all seems fairly straightforward except for one thing.
>>
>> So you set up the archiving of the WAL files.  Then you set up cron
>> or something to regularly do a physical backup of the data
>> directory.  But when you do the physical backup you don't have the
>> last WAL file archived yet that you need to restore that physical
>> backup.  So you always need to keep at least two physical backups
>> around so that you know that at least one of them has the WAL files
>> needed for recovery.
>>
>> The question I have is: how do I know if I can use the latest one?
>> That is if I first do physical backup A and then later do physical
>> backup B and then I want to do a restore.  How do I know when I've
>> got the files I need to use B so that I don't have to go all the way
>> back to A?
>>
>> My initial thoughts are that I could:
>>
>> a) just before or after calling pg_stop_backup check the file system
>> to see what the last archived WAL file is on disk and make sure that
>> that I get the next one before I try restoring from that backup.
>>
>> b) just before or after calling pg_stop_backup check postgres to see
>> to see what the current active WAL file is and make sure it has been
>> archived before I try to restore from that backup.
>>
>> c) Always just use backup A.
>>
>> No c seems the easiest but is that even fail safe?  I realize it
>> wouldn't really ever happen in an active production environment that
>> was set up right but say you did backup A and backup B and during
>> that whole time you had few writes in postgres that you never filled
>> up a whole WAL file so both of the backups are invalid.  Then you
>> would have to always go to option a or b above to verify that a given
>> backup was good so that any previous backups could be deleted.
>>
>> Wouldn't it make things a lot easier if the backup history file not
>> only gave you the name of the first file that you need but also the
>> last one?  Then you could look at a given backup and say I need this
>> start file and this end file.  Then you could delete all archived WAL
>> files before start file.  And you could delete any old physical dumps
>> because you know that your last physical dump was good.  It would
>> just save you the step in the backups process of figuring out what
>> that file is.  And it seems like pg_stop_backup could determine that
>> on it's own.
>>
>> Does that make sense?  Am I totally off base here?
>>
>> Rick
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