Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS)

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Bruce Momjian
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Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS)
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[Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Alvaro Hernandez <aht@ongres.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
RE: Threat models for DB cryptography (Re: [Proposal] Table-levelTransparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key) Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Alvaro Hernandez <aht@ongres.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar.ahmad@gmail.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Jeremy Schneider <schnjere@amazon.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Jeremy Schneider <schnjere@amazon.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Haribabu Kommi <kommi.haribabu@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Chris Howard <chris@elfpen.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig<postgres@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:04:13PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > Well, I think they might do that to reduce encryption overhead.  I think
> > tests have shown that is not an issue, but we will need to test further.
> 
> I seriously doubt that's why and I don't think there's actually much
> value in trying to figure out the "why" here- the question is, do those
> systems answer the check-box requirement that was brought up on the call
> as the justification for this feature?  If so, then clearly not
> everything is required to be encrypted and we shouldn't be stressing
> over trying to do that.

We will stress in trying _not_ to encrypt everything.

> > I am not sure of the downside of encrypting everything, since it leaks
> > the least information and has a minimal user API and code impact.  What
> > is the value of encrypting only the user rows?  Better key control?
> 
> Yes, better key control, and better user API, and avoiding having an

Uh, there is no user API for all-cluster encryption except for the
administrator.

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