Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents?

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Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents?
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How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? jonasmehler46 <jonasmehler46@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Markus Wanner <markus.wanner@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Isaac Morland <isaac.morland@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Benjamin Scherrey <scherrey@proteus-tech.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Oleksandr Shulgin <oleksandr.shulgin@zalando.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Markus Wanner <markus.wanner@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 01:10:33AM +0000, Tsunakawa, Takayuki wrote:
> From: Nico Williams [mailto:nico@cryptonector.com]
> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:29:12AM +0000, Tsunakawa, Takayuki wrote:
> > > How can one make defensive use of his patent if he allows everyone to
> > > use it royalty-free?  Can he use his patent for cross-licensing
> > > negotiation if some commercial database vendor accuses his company
> > > that PostgreSQL unintentionally infringes that vendor's patent?
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_termination
> 
> Thank you, his looks reasonable to give everyone the grant.  Then, I
> wonder if the community can accept patented code if the patent holder
> grants this kind of license.

I'm not a core member, but personally I'd be inclined to accept a
royalty-free, non-exclusive, non-expiring, transferrable, ..., grant
where the only condition is to not sue the patent holder.

I don't object to patents in general, but I think patent lifetimes are
way too long for software (because they are not commensurate with the
costs of developing software), and I understand that often one must
obtain patents for *defensive* purposes because there are sharks out
there.  So I'm inclined to accept patents with defensive but otherwise
very wide grants.

Nico
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