Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption

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Aleksander Alekseev
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Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption
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20170614090426.GA7249@e733.localdomain
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WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Konstantin Knizhnik <k.knizhnik@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Kenneth Marshall <ktm@rice.edu>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Toshi Harada <harada.toshi@po.ntt-tx.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
"WIP: Data at rest encryption" patch and, 2 phase commit. Toshi Harada <harada.toshi@po.ntt-tx.co.jp>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Haribabu Kommi <kommi.haribabu@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig<postgres@cybertec.at>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Haribabu Kommi <kommi.haribabu@gmail.com>
Hi Ants,

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 09:07:49AM -0400, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> On 6/12/17 17:11, Ants Aasma wrote:
> > I'm curious if the community thinks this is a feature worth having?
> > Even considering that security experts would classify this kind of
> > encryption as a checkbox feature.
> 
> File system encryption already exists and is well-tested.  I don't see
> any big advantages in re-implementing all of this one level up.  You
> would have to touch every single place in PostgreSQL backend and tool
> code where a file is being read or written.  Yikes.

I appreciate your work, but unfortunately I must agree with Peter.

On Linux you can configure the full disc encryption using LUKS /
dm-crypt in like 5 minutes [1]. On FreeBSD you can do the same using
geli [2]. In my personal opinion PostgreSQL is already complicated
enough. A few companies that hired system administrators that are too
lazy to read two or three man pages is not a reason to re-implement file
system encryption (or compression, or mirroring if that matters) in any
open source RDBMS.

[1] http://eax.me/dm-crypt/
[2] http://eax.me/freebsd-geli/

-- 
Best regards,
Aleksander Alekseev
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