Re: Commit fest?

Yep, Greg Smith hit the nail on the head.  There were lots of complaints
in the past that "we don't know how to help" so now almost every thread
has a comment, and people can add their own comments, but still it is
mostly Tom and me making comments and applying patches and adding TODO
items.

"Oh, can I have a wiki that has exactly what I want to know and can read
my mind and I don't have to type anything" is about where my thinking is
on this issue right now.  (no smiley folks)

Anyway, expect the commit fest to go on until probably early April based
on the progress we are making.

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Greg Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> 
> > I can't say I find this an advance - paging through 14 pages of subject 
> > headers with the odd comment isn't very productive.
> 
> Bruce had said it was going to take him time to organize things better, 
> and instead of waiting for that to complete he was asked to just dump the 
> whole archive in there so other people could help.  I didn't find the 
> formatting a problem.  Many of the patches I had something to say about 
> were already sitting in my personal archived mailbox as well in the same 
> format, so I just switched to my mail reader to follow the threads better 
> in those cases.
> 
> > A nice wiki table with links to the discussions would be much nicer, 
> > IMNSHO.
> 
> Well then hurry up and take care of building that for everybody.  One of 
> my better known catch phrases among my friends is "don't complain about 
> anything you're not willing to fix yourself".
> 
> I recall a moment from late in the 8.3 cycle that seems familiar here.  I 
> went to the trouble of pushing some of the CVS commit information onto the 
> developer's wiki so that multiple people could help work through sorting 
> through it all as part of the release note building proces.  But nobody 
> did, and Tom ended up doing the whole thing himself instead.
> 
> The lesson I walked away with is that if the person doing most of the work 
> isn't interested in your tool, what you and other people would like isn't 
> particularly relevant.  While it's far from perfect, the comment thing on 
> these pages is a step forward, and I've spent a few hours sorting through 
> the parts of this I understand this week to try and help out with that.
> 
> Until someone other than Bruce and Tom is going to volunteer to do the 
> time consuming parts of the job, whether it would be nice to have this 
> information on a wiki or not doesn't matter too much.  Usefully organized 
> content doesn't magically create itself, it takes work.  I think once the 
> backlog is whittled down to a managable size moving to the wiki format 
> used to track 8.3 progress will make sense.  Right now many of these 
> threads are not turning into patches to review, and the easiest way to 
> figure out which are which is to read through the discussion 
> thread--something a wiki wouldn't make any easier than the view Bruce is 
> already providing.
> 
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