Re: Simple join optimized badly?

От: Jim C. Nasby
Тема: Re: Simple join optimized badly?
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Msg-id: 20061010140050.GZ72517@nasby.net
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Ответ на: Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane)
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Simple join optimized badly?  ("Craig A. James", )
 Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
  Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Denis Lussier", )
   Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Jim Nasby, )
   Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Josh Berkus, )
    Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Craig A. James", )
     Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Mark Kirkwood, )
      Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Craig A. James", )
       Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Mark Kirkwood, )
        Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
         Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Josh Berkus, )
          Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
    Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
    Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Scott Marlowe, )
 Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Bruce Momjian, )
  Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Craig A. James", )
 Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Chris Browne, )
 Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Chris Browne, )
  Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
   Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
   Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Mark Kirkwood, )
    Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Mark Kirkwood, )
 Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tobias Brox, )
  Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
   Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
    Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
     Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
   Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
    Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
     Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
      Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
       Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Josh Berkus, )
        Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
  Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Bruno Wolff III, )
 Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Brian Herlihy, )
  Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Craig A. James", )
   Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
    Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
     Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Steinar H. Gunderson", )
      Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
     Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
      Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Brian Herlihy, )
       Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Tom Lane, )
        Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Brian Herlihy, )
        Re: Simple join optimized badly?  ("Bucky Jordan", )
         Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Heikki Linnakangas, )
          Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Bruce Momjian, )
         Collect stats during seqscan (was: Simple join optimized badly?)  ("Jim C. Nasby", )
        Re: Simple join optimized badly?  (Mark Lewis, )

On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 06:45:16PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Jim C. Nasby" <> writes:
> > One of the big problems with doing set enable_...=off is that there's no
> > way to embed that into something like a view, so you're almost forced
> > into putting into the application code itself, which makes matters even
> > worse. If you could hint this within a query (maybe even on a per-table
> > level), you could at least encapsulate that into a view.
>
> You've almost reinvented one of the points that was made in the last
> go-round on the subject of hints, which is that keeping them out of the
> application code is an important factor in making them manageable by a
> DBA.  Hints stored in a system catalog (and probably having the form of
> "make this statistical assumption" rather than specifically "use that
> plan") would avoid many of the negatives.

Sure, but IIRC no one's figured out what that would actually look like,
while it's not hard to come up with a syntax that allows you to tell the
optimizer "scan index XYZ to access this table". (And if there's real
interest in adding that I'll come up with a proposal.)

I'd rather have the ugly solution sooner rather than the elegant one
later (if ever).
--
Jim Nasby                                            
EnterpriseDB      http://enterprisedb.com      512.569.9461 (cell)


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