Re: ALTER TABLE lock strength reduction patch is unsafe

Поиск
Список
Период
Сортировка
От Tom Lane
Тема Re: ALTER TABLE lock strength reduction patch is unsafe
Дата
Msg-id 15067.1393969068@sss.pgh.pa.us
обсуждение исходный текст
Ответ на Re: ALTER TABLE lock strength reduction patch is unsafe  (Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>)
Ответы Re: ALTER TABLE lock strength reduction patch is unsafe  (Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>)
Re: ALTER TABLE lock strength reduction patch is unsafe  (Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>)
Список pgsql-hackers
Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> writes:
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
>> Your earlier claim that the dump is inconsistent just isn't accurate.
>> We now have MVCC catalogs, so any dump is going to see a perfectly
>> consistent set of data plus DDL. OK the catalogs may change AFTER the
>> snapshot was taken for the dump, but then so can the data change -
>> that's just MVCC.

> Unfortunately, this isn't correct.  The MVCC snapshots taken for
> catalog scans are "instantaneous"; that is, we take a new, current
> snapshot for each catalog scan.  If all of the ruleutils.c stuff were
> using the transaction snapshot rather than instantaneous snapshots,
> this would be right.  But as has been previously discussed, that's not
> the case.

Yeah.  And that's *necessary* for catalog lookups in a normally
functioning backend, because we have to see latest data (eg, it wouldn't
do for a backend to fail to enforce a just-added CHECK constraint because
it was committed after the backend's transaction started).

However, it seems possible that we could have a mode in which a read-only
session did all its catalog fetches according to the transaction snapshot.
That would get us to a situation where the backend-internal lookups that
ruleutils relies on would give the same answers as queries done by
pg_dump.  Robert's work on getting rid of SnapshotNow has probably moved
that much closer than it was before, but it's still not exactly a trivial
patch.

Meanwhile, Andres claimed upthread that none of the currently-proposed
reduced-lock ALTER commands affect data that pg_dump is using ruleutils
to fetch.  If that's the case, then maybe this is a problem that we can
punt till later.  I've not gone through the list to verify it though.
        regards, tom lane



В списке pgsql-hackers по дате отправления:

Предыдущее
От: Kohei KaiGai
Дата:
Сообщение: Re: Custom Scan APIs (Re: Custom Plan node)
Следующее
От: Robert Haas
Дата:
Сообщение: Re: drop duplicate buffers in OS