Обсуждение: Slony NG
Hi all, why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? Regards Gaetano Mendola
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:54:29 +0200, Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: > Hi all, > why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? It isn't that simple. For big 8 newsgroups you have to make a proposal and people vote on it. You need 100 more Yes's than No's.
Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:54:29 +0200, > Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? > > It isn't that simple. For big 8 newsgroups you have to make a proposal > and people vote on it. You need 100 more Yes's than No's. Big-8 newsgroup creation policies didn't stop somebody from simply gating the mailing lists into Usenet already. (And, one imagines, sending out illegitimate newgroup control messages.) Big-8 newsgroup policy didn't stop irresponsible Usenet news providers from carrying those illegitimate groups. Why stand on ceremony now? (Yes, that was sarcasm.) Jim
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bruno Wolff III wrote: | On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:54:29 +0200, | Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: | |>Hi all, |>why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? | | | It isn't that simple. For big 8 newsgroups you have to make a proposal | and people vote on it. You need 100 more Yes's than No's. Let start then... Regards Gaetano Mendola -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA8+SA7UpzwH2SGd4RAuDFAKCAe+oGGwQyudBAwwy29cywt7JYTQCfVslX lJ6bMHgSp30D4NduVzuCP8g= =KDf2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 15:32:49 +0200, Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > | On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:54:29 +0200, > | Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: > | > |>Hi all, > |>why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? > | > | > | It isn't that simple. For big 8 newsgroups you have to make a proposal > | and people vote on it. You need 100 more Yes's than No's. > > Let start then... Go ahead. You don't need anyone here to OK putting forward a new group creation proposal. Googling for newsgroup creation should point you to documentation on the process. The only thing you want to get from here is some idea of whether or not people are likely to vote for creation of the newsgroup. Personally I will probably abstain.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bruno Wolff III wrote: | On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 15:32:49 +0200, | Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>Bruno Wolff III wrote: |> |>| On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:54:29 +0200, |>| Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: |>| |>|>Hi all, |>|>why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? |>| |>| |>| It isn't that simple. For big 8 newsgroups you have to make a proposal |>| and people vote on it. You need 100 more Yes's than No's. |> |>Let start then... | | | Go ahead. You don't need anyone here to OK putting forward a new group | creation proposal. Googling for newsgroup creation should point you to | documentation on the process. The only thing you want to get from here | is some idea of whether or not people are likely to vote for creation | of the newsgroup. | Personally I will probably abstain. | I was believing that the NGs news.XX.postgresql.org were managed by postgresql developer group and the vote could be easily done trough a poll in the postgresql web site. Regards Gaetano Mendola -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA9HbH7UpzwH2SGd4RAg2SAJ46FFZ1/iTnYTIhXc4XkHlqp1b9ZQCgla/m q4X99g8dla89ZuOgUZ2E5xE= =Xo8b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: > [snip] > > I was believing that the NGs news.XX.postgresql.org were managed by > postgresql developer group and the vote could be easily done trough a > poll in the postgresql web site. For postgresql.org's own news servers, maybe. I really don't know. But for newsgroups in the big-8 hierarchy carried by other news servers: As someone who was involved in the creation of a newsgroup in the big-8 hierarchy, I can tell you it's much more involved than that. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/ will give you an idea of the process. Jim
jseymour@linxnet.com (Jim Seymour) writes: > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/ will give > you an idea of the process. AFAIK *none* of the comp.databases.postgresql newsgroups have actually been put through the vote process, and so they are all rogue groups in the eyes of people who take Usenet seriously. (This used to bother me quite a bit back when I took Usenet seriously, but I stopped reading it five or more years ago.) If anyone actually wants to do something in this line, the first step would be to shepherd through a vote legitimizing the existing postgresql groups. Don't expect it to be easy, as I am sure we are already on the hate-list of a lot of Usenet people for having ignored the voting process for so many years. If by some chance you are still alive after that, you can think about proposing brand new newsgroups. regards, tom lane
On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 19:56, Gaetano Mendola wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > | On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 15:32:49 +0200, > | Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: > | > |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > |>Hash: SHA1 > |> > |>Bruno Wolff III wrote: > |> > |>| On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:54:29 +0200, > |>| Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: > |>| > |>|>Hi all, > |>|>why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? > |>| > |>| > |>| It isn't that simple. For big 8 newsgroups you have to make a proposal > |>| and people vote on it. You need 100 more Yes's than No's. > |> > |>Let start then... > | > | > | Go ahead. You don't need anyone here to OK putting forward a new group > | creation proposal. Googling for newsgroup creation should point you to > | documentation on the process. The only thing you want to get from here > | is some idea of whether or not people are likely to vote for creation > | of the newsgroup. > | Personally I will probably abstain. > | > > I was believing that the NGs news.XX.postgresql.org were managed by postgresql > developer group and the vote could be easily done trough a poll in the postgresql > web site. > You are aware that there is a slony mailing list at http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/slony1-general right? Does that not serve your purposes? Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Treat wrote: | On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 19:56, Gaetano Mendola wrote: | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>Bruno Wolff III wrote: |> |>| On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 15:32:49 +0200, |>| Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: |>| |>|>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>|>Hash: SHA1 |>|> |>|>Bruno Wolff III wrote: |>|> |>|>| On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:54:29 +0200, |>|>| Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> wrote: |>|>| |>|>|>Hi all, |>|>|>why don't you create comp.database.postgresql.slony NG ? |>|>| |>|>| |>|>| It isn't that simple. For big 8 newsgroups you have to make a proposal |>|>| and people vote on it. You need 100 more Yes's than No's. |>|> |>|>Let start then... |>| |>| |>| Go ahead. You don't need anyone here to OK putting forward a new group |>| creation proposal. Googling for newsgroup creation should point you to |>| documentation on the process. The only thing you want to get from here |>| is some idea of whether or not people are likely to vote for creation |>| of the newsgroup. |>| Personally I will probably abstain. |>| |> |>I was believing that the NGs news.XX.postgresql.org were managed by postgresql |>developer group and the vote could be easily done trough a poll in the postgresql |>web site. |> | | | You are aware that there is a slony mailing list at | http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/slony1-general right? Does | that not serve your purposes? I knew it, some times I'm in IRC too, but I feel better using a NG instead of a mailing list, just because I can consult it also if my laptop is not with me. Regards Gaetano Mendola -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA9pje7UpzwH2SGd4RAl34AJ935ugfJUT4DiBvvokbsm6RMi9T9ACbBoB9 azZrJgHsV76sSoAcJn5gz3k= =VIpd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Oops! mendola@bigfoot.com (Gaetano Mendola) was seen spray-painting on a wall: > | You are aware that there is a slony mailing list at > | http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/slony1-general right? Does > | that not serve your purposes? > > I knew it, some times I'm in IRC too, but I feel better using a NG instead of > a mailing list, just because I can consult it also if my laptop is not with me. If someone were to ask the folks at gmane to mirror/news-gateway the Slony mailing list, that could probably work. -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'cbbrowne.com'; http://cbbrowne.com/info/advocacy.html "I can't escape the sensation that I have already been thinking in Lisp all my programming career, but forcing the ideas into the constraints of bad languages, which explode those ideas into a bewildering array of details, most of which are workarounds for the language." -- Kaz Kylheku
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Christopher Browne wrote: > Oops! mendola@bigfoot.com (Gaetano Mendola) was seen spray-painting on a wall: >> | You are aware that there is a slony mailing list at >> | http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/slony1-general right? Does >> | that not serve your purposes? >> >> I knew it, some times I'm in IRC too, but I feel better using a NG instead of >> a mailing list, just because I can consult it also if my laptop is not with me. > > If someone were to ask the folks at gmane to mirror/news-gateway the > Slony mailing list, that could probably work. Just as a side note, comp.databases.postgresql.projects.slony1 was created the other day on news.postgresql.org ... not sure if Jan has had a chance to subscribe the appropriate address so that mail is gated to it, but the group is there ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664