Re: tracking commit timestamps
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Robert Haas
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Re: tracking commit timestamps
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CA+TgmoZ_trmwOrs19CTByxVLtaJ5gstyfP708h=QTb3GCWwUxg@mail.gmail.com
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Re: tracking commit timestamps (Petr Jelinek)
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tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas@vmware.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Anssi Kääriäinen <anssi.kaariainen@thl.fi>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Kevin Grittner <kgrittn@ymail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Steve Singer <steve@ssinger.info>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Steve Singer <steve@ssinger.info>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Steve Singer <steve@ssinger.info>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Anssi Kääriäinen <anssi.kaariainen@thl.fi>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Steve Singer <steve@ssinger.info>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Steve Singer <steve@ssinger.info>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Steve Singer <steve@ssinger.info>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Petr Jelinek <petr@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Jaime Casanova <jaime@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: tracking commit timestamps Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Petr Jelinek wrote: > That's not what I said. I am actually ok with adding the LSN if people see > it useful. > I was just wondering if we can make the record smaller somehow - 24bytes per > txid is around 96GB of data for whole txid range and won't work with pages > smaller than ~4kBs unless we add 6 char support to SLRU (which is not hard > and we could also not allow track_commit_timestamps to be turned on with > smaller pagesize...). > > I remember somebody was worried about this already during the original patch > submission and it can't be completely ignored in the discussion about adding > more stuff into the record. Fair point. Sorry I misunderstood. I think the key question here is the time for which the data needs to be retained. 2^32 of anything is a lot, but why keep around that number of records rather than more (after all, we have epochs to distinguish one use of a given txid from another) or fewer? Obvious alternatives include: - Keep the data for some period of time; discard the data when it's older than some threshold. - Keep a certain amount of total data; every time we create a new file, discard the oldest one. - Let consumers of the data say how much they need, and throw away data when it's no longer needed by the oldest consumer. - Some combination of the above. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
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