Обсуждение: Request for project mailing list: pgsql-pkg-docker
WWW, I would like a project mailing list for the team which will be working on the "official" Postgresql images for Docker on DockerHub. This team, which currently includes me, MW Campbell and Eric Onigarth, but will later include other people. The purpose of the list is to allow contributors to the official docker image to discuss build issues, schedules and strategy, as it is for the pgsql-pkg-debian mailing list. While the Dockerhub is owned by Docker, Inc., they have requested that our community take over maintenance of the PostgreSQL packages, which are free and open source (as is Docker itself). -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
<p dir="ltr"><br /> On Jun 25, 2014 12:53 AM, "Josh Berkus" <<a href="mailto:josh@agliodbs.com">josh@agliodbs.com</a>>wrote:<br /> ><br /> > WWW,<br /> ><br /> > I wouldlike a project mailing list for the team which will be working<br /> > on the "official" Postgresql images for Dockeron DockerHub. This team,<br /> > which currently includes me, MW Campbell and Eric Onigarth, but will<br /> >later include other people.<br /> ><br /> > The purpose of the list is to allow contributors to the official docker<br/> > image to discuss build issues, schedules and strategy, as it is for the<br /> > pgsql-pkg-debian mailinglist. While the Dockerhub is owned by Docker,<br /> > Inc., they have requested that our community take over maintenanceof<br /> > the PostgreSQL packages, which are free and open source (as is Docker<br /> > itself).<br />><p dir="ltr">Just to be clear, this is a project that intends to offer fully supported postgresql distribution, asin publishing timely security fixes and not depreciating old versions after 5 minutes? If so, I definitely +1 this, asyou say like the Debian and yum lists. And once it's properly reached "production quality", it should probably be on ourdownload page too (the instructions that is, not the list). <p dir="ltr">/Magnus <br />
Hi, On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 11:46 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > Just to be clear, this is a project that intends to offer fully > supported postgresql distribution, as in publishing timely security > fixes and not depreciating old versions after 5 minutes? If so, I > definitely +1 this, as you say like the Debian and yum lists. And once > it's properly reached "production quality", it should probably be on > our download page too (the instructions that is, not the list). +1. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ Principal Systems Engineer @ EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
On 06/25/2014 02:46 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > Just to be clear, this is a project that intends to offer fully > supported postgresql distribution, as in publishing timely security > fixes and not depreciating old versions after 5 minutes? If so, I > definitely +1 this, as you say like the Debian and yum lists. And once > it's properly reached "production quality", it should probably be on our > download page too (the instructions that is, not the list). Yes, that's exactly the plan. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On 06/25/2014 10:05 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 06/25/2014 02:46 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: >> Just to be clear, this is a project that intends to offer fully >> supported postgresql distribution, as in publishing timely security >> fixes and not depreciating old versions after 5 minutes? If so, I >> definitely +1 this, as you say like the Debian and yum lists. And once >> it's properly reached "production quality", it should probably be on our >> download page too (the instructions that is, not the list). > > Yes, that's exactly the plan. So ... ? -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:54 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > On 06/25/2014 10:05 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: >> On 06/25/2014 02:46 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: >>> Just to be clear, this is a project that intends to offer fully >>> supported postgresql distribution, as in publishing timely security >>> fixes and not depreciating old versions after 5 minutes? If so, I >>> definitely +1 this, as you say like the Debian and yum lists. And once >>> it's properly reached "production quality", it should probably be on our >>> download page too (the instructions that is, not the list). >> >> Yes, that's exactly the plan. > > So ... ? I was talking to Alvaro a few days ago and he said he's working on it. I guess he got sidetracked, but will hopefully get back to it soon :) -- Magnus HaganderMe: http://www.hagander.net/Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:54 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > > On 06/25/2014 10:05 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> On 06/25/2014 02:46 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > >>> Just to be clear, this is a project that intends to offer fully > >>> supported postgresql distribution, as in publishing timely security > >>> fixes and not depreciating old versions after 5 minutes? If so, I > >>> definitely +1 this, as you say like the Debian and yum lists. And once > >>> it's properly reached "production quality", it should probably be on our > >>> download page too (the instructions that is, not the list). > >> > >> Yes, that's exactly the plan. > > > > So ... ? > > I was talking to Alvaro a few days ago and he said he's working on it. > I guess he got sidetracked, but will hopefully get back to it soon :) Eh? I created the list that very day. mj2 shows the owner as josh@agliodbs.com -- didn't you get an email with instructions and the list password to that address? -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services
Forgive my naive question. How is Docker PostgeSQL useful for real world use case? I thought Docker's storage is weak for heavy data traffic from my experience. Maybe running docker image with mounting external storage? Next question is, who is using Docker PostgreSQL for production use? I personally never heard about it. If Docker PostgreSQL is still just for evaluation or toy, I feel like there's no strong demand to create new mailing list. Best regards, -- Tatsuo Ishii SRA OSS, Inc. Japan English: http://www.sraoss.co.jp/index_en.php Japanese:http://www.sraoss.co.jp > WWW, > > I would like a project mailing list for the team which will be working > on the "official" Postgresql images for Docker on DockerHub. This team, > which currently includes me, MW Campbell and Eric Onigarth, but will > later include other people. > > The purpose of the list is to allow contributors to the official docker > image to discuss build issues, schedules and strategy, as it is for the > pgsql-pkg-debian mailing list. While the Dockerhub is owned by Docker, > Inc., they have requested that our community take over maintenance of > the PostgreSQL packages, which are free and open source (as is Docker > itself). > > -- > Josh Berkus > PostgreSQL Experts Inc. > http://pgexperts.com > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
On 07/09/2014 04:39 PM, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: > > Forgive my naive question. How is Docker PostgeSQL useful for real > world use case? I thought Docker's storage is weak for heavy data > traffic from my experience. Maybe running docker image with mounting > external storage? The idea is to help support an external community who would otherwise not participate in our community. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 509-416-6579 PostgreSQL Support, Training, Professional Services and Development High Availability, Oracle Conversion, @cmdpromptinc "If we send our children to Caesar for their education, we should not be surprised when they come back as Romans."
On 07/09/2014 06:38 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Eh? I created the list that very day. mj2 shows the owner as > josh@agliodbs.com -- didn't you get an email with instructions and the > list password to that address? Sadly, no. I looked for it before sending that email. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
> Next question is, who is using Docker PostgreSQL for production use? > I personally never heard about it. If Docker PostgreSQL is still just > for evaluation or toy, I feel like there's no strong demand to create > new mailing list. I'm using it, or I wouldn't have requested the list. Really, the above is an example of exactly the kind of discussion which should never happen when someone requests a list. We're not here to pass judgement on other people's OSS projects. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
> Really, the above is an example of exactly the kind of discussion which > should never happen when someone requests a list. We're not here to > pass judgement on other people's OSS projects. I didn't know that the list is for some other OSS project, not ours. JD wrote: > The idea is to help support an external community who would otherwise > not participate in our community. This gave me clear answer to my question. Thanks. Best regards, -- Tatsuo Ishii SRA OSS, Inc. Japan English: http://www.sraoss.co.jp/index_en.php Japanese:http://www.sraoss.co.jp
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > >> Next question is, who is using Docker PostgreSQL for production use? >> I personally never heard about it. If Docker PostgreSQL is still just >> for evaluation or toy, I feel like there's no strong demand to create >> new mailing list. > > I'm using it, or I wouldn't have requested the list. > > Really, the above is an example of exactly the kind of discussion which > should never happen when someone requests a list. We're not here to > pass judgement on other people's OSS projects. It's exactly the kind of discussion that does need to happen, unless we're just going to say yes or no to everyone. We're not a general hosting provider for anyone who wants it, nor do we have the resources to become one. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
> It's exactly the kind of discussion that does need to happen, unless > we're just going to say yes or no to everyone. We're not a general > hosting provider for anyone who wants it, nor do we have the resources > to become one. "Is there demand" is a useful question when creating a list. "Is project X worthwhile or not" isn't. Namely, my comment was in response to this: "Forgive my naive question. How is Docker PostgeSQL useful for real world use case?" Such questions, while they would be appropriate for another list (pgsql-general maybe? The new docker list, if I get access to it?), are NOT appropriate when discussing whether or not to grant a new list. It forces requestors to run a gauntlet of different list commentors finding fault with their project. Maybe it's past time for us to have a formal set of criteria and process for requesting new lists, just like we do for other kinds of web stuff like events? A lot of the arguments here might be avoidable with one. P.S. Alvaro, if you didn't see my other email, I did not get the majordomo notification of the new list. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > >> It's exactly the kind of discussion that does need to happen, unless >> we're just going to say yes or no to everyone. We're not a general >> hosting provider for anyone who wants it, nor do we have the resources >> to become one. > > "Is there demand" is a useful question when creating a list. > > "Is project X worthwhile or not" isn't. Namely, my comment was in > response to this: > > "Forgive my naive question. How is Docker PostgeSQL useful for real > world use case?" Whilst I agree that that particular question is not appropriate, "Is project X worthwhile or not" certainly is appropriate, in as much as worthwhile equates to "having demand from users". I don't care if individuals think a project is not worthwhile - I do care if no-one thinks it's worthwhile, or if a lot of people think it is. > Maybe it's past time for us to have a formal set of criteria and process > for requesting new lists, just like we do for other kinds of web stuff > like events? A lot of the arguments here might be avoidable with one. Yes, that seems perfectly reasonable. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On 07/10/2014 11:42 AM, Dave Page wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Whilst I agree that that particular question is not appropriate, "Is > project X worthwhile or not" certainly is appropriate, in as much as > worthwhile equates to "having demand from users". I don't care if > individuals think a project is not worthwhile - I do care if no-one > thinks it's worthwhile, or if a lot of people think it is. Right, but it's not relevant whether or not people **on pgsql-www** think it's worthwhile. It's only relevant how popular it is in the world. For example, I think that Windows is a worthless OS which has outlived its usefulness. That doesn't mean I'm going to champion discontinuing the Windows installation packages or their related mailing list; Windows is way too popular for that. Docker is pretty clear-cut: - Over 1 million downloads in the last year - over 2000 downloads of the existing canonical Postgres image since June 1, even though it's not really in a usable state Other projects will be less clear-cut, simply because popularity data isn't available. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On 07/10/2014 12:03 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > > On 07/10/2014 11:42 AM, Dave Page wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: >> Whilst I agree that that particular question is not appropriate, "Is >> project X worthwhile or not" certainly is appropriate, in as much as >> worthwhile equates to "having demand from users". I don't care if >> individuals think a project is not worthwhile - I do care if no-one >> thinks it's worthwhile, or if a lot of people think it is. > > Right, but it's not relevant whether or not people **on pgsql-www** > think it's worthwhile. It's only relevant how popular it is in the world. Trying telling -www that ;). -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Support, Training, Professional Services and Development High Availability, Oracle Conversion, @cmdpromptinc "If we send our children to Caesar for their education, we should not be surprised when they come back as Romans."