Обсуждение: Removing Sun from the "Professional Support" pages ?
hi guys, Is it possible to remove Sun Microsystems from the various professional support pages : http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_africa http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_asia etc. It seems quite irrelevant now. The former URL http://www.sun.com/postgresql goes to http://www.sun.com/software/index.xml where the databases section contains only "Java DB" and "MySQL". Regards, -- damien
2010/3/4 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>: > hi guys, > > Is it possible to remove Sun Microsystems from the various professional > support pages : > > http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_africa > http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_asia > etc. > > It seems quite irrelevant now. Yeah, seems reasonable to me - AFAIK they don't take any new contract. Can someone from Sun, or someone who knows for sure, confirm that? (same goes for the sponsorship page) -- Magnus HaganderMe: http://www.hagander.net/Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Magnus Hagander a écrit : > 2010/3/4 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>: >> hi guys, >> >> Is it possible to remove Sun Microsystems from the various professional >> support pages : >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_africa >> http://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support_asia >> etc. >> >> It seems quite irrelevant now. > > Yeah, seems reasonable to me - AFAIK they don't take any new contract. > Can someone from Sun, or someone who knows for sure, confirm that? > > (same goes for the sponsorship page) > I'm not so sure about the sponsor page. While it's right to remove them from the professionnal support pages if they don't do it anymore, the title of "silver sponsor" rewards "Entities who have provided at least 1 full year of significant and recurring contribution to PostgreSQL." which remains true. Maybe it's interesting to keep track of this, in an historical perspective.
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info> wrote: > > It seems quite irrelevant now. > > The former URL http://www.sun.com/postgresql goes to > > http://www.sun.com/software/index.xml > > where the databases section contains only "Java DB" and > "MySQL". > it's quite interesting that SUN had shipped PostgreSQL with solaris 10 and had offered an 24x7 support, but now when i looked at the solaris page i found Oracle Solaris Operating System and no mention about postgres... will those installations be forced to migrate to oracle or mysql? BTW, i agree with damien that the mention in the sponsor page should be kept until they explicitly request removal -- Atentamente, Jaime Casanova Soporte y capacitación de PostgreSQL Asesoría y desarrollo de sistemas Guayaquil - Ecuador Cel. +59387171157
On 3/4/10 5:59 AM, damien clochard wrote: > While it's right to remove them from the professionnal support pages if > they don't do it anymore, the title of "silver sponsor" rewards > "Entities who have provided at least 1 full year of significant and > recurring contribution to PostgreSQL." which remains true. It would be fun to put Oracle there, but that seems like inviting trouble. --Josh Berkus
On 3/5/10, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > On 3/4/10 5:59 AM, damien clochard wrote: >> While it's right to remove them from the professionnal support pages if >> they don't do it anymore, the title of "silver sponsor" rewards >> "Entities who have provided at least 1 full year of significant and >> recurring contribution to PostgreSQL." which remains true. > > It would be fun to put Oracle there, but that seems like inviting trouble. > Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark policy though? :-) -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com PG East Conference: http://www.enterprisedb.com/community/nav-pg-east-2010.do
> Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark > policy though? They can only issue a takedown notice. They can't sue us. All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be comfortable with it. I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when those contributions will stop. I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging. --Josh Berkus
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark > > policy though? > > They can only issue a takedown notice. They can't sue us. > > All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be > comfortable with it. I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's > ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when > those contributions will stop. > > I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer > brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging. Well one isn't part of the other. You are thinking Sponsors versus professional support page. Joshua D. Drake > > --Josh Berkus > > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On 3/5/10 11:32 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: >>> Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark >>> policy though? >> They can only issue a takedown notice. They can't sue us. >> >> All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be >> comfortable with it. I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's >> ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when >> those contributions will stop. >> >> I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer >> brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging. > > Well one isn't part of the other. You are thinking Sponsors versus > professional support page. I thought we'd settled the professional support issue. Snoracle is no longer selling PostgreSQL support, therefore it comes off the PS page. --Josh Berkus
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Yeah. Would it actually be in violation of their published trademark > > policy though? > > They can only issue a takedown notice. They can't sue us. > > All the same, it feels too much like bear-bating for me to be > comfortable with it. I'm afraid that calling attention to Snoracle's > ongoing contributions to PostgreSQL will simply hasten the day when > those contributions will stop. > > I'd suggest keeping Sun as Silver for now, and seeing what the summer > brings, when Oracle gets done re-orging. Well one isn't part of the other. You are thinking Sponsors versus professional support page. Joshua D. Drake > > --Josh Berkus > > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
Josh Berkus wrote: > > It would be fun to put Oracle there, but that seems like inviting trouble. Would it be worthwhile to ask them? I seem to recall at one point IBM bragging about supporting Oracle on Solaris with Windows clients - despite IBM owning competing software across the whole stack. I imagine many (perhaps nearly all) large companies have multiple database products somewhere. I could imagine Oracle wanting to continue to support them, even if their ulterior motive is to try to switch the user to Sleepycat / BDB or InnoDB / InnoBase or whatever other data storage products the might own.