Обсуждение: Who is moderating the news?
Can whoever is supposed to be moderating the news please do so? apparently there is at least one item stuck in the queue again. Also, what do we need to do to prevent the moderation emails being lost/ignored? Thanks. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 18:24 +0000, Dave Page wrote: > Can whoever is supposed to be moderating the news please do so? > apparently there is at least one item stuck in the queue again. > > Also, what do we need to do to prevent the moderation emails being lost/ignored? > Don't send them to the slaves list. That list gets hammered with so much noise it is easy to mentally turn it off. I know that sometimes I forget to check events because I open the folder and I have hundreds of automirror reports, mirror test reports, autobackup reports etc... Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company,serving since 1997
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 18:24 +0000, Dave Page wrote: >> Can whoever is supposed to be moderating the news please do so? >> apparently there is at least one item stuck in the queue again. >> >> Also, what do we need to do to prevent the moderation emails being lost/ignored? >> > > Don't send them to the slaves list. That list gets hammered with so much > noise it is easy to mentally turn it off. I know that sometimes I forget > to check events because I open the folder and I have hundreds of > automirror reports, mirror test reports, autobackup reports etc... Well that is what the slaves list is for. It's pretty easy for the moderators to filter out the stuff from nagios etc - is it really worth a separate list? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 19:46 +0000, Dave Page wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 18:24 +0000, Dave Page wrote: > >> Can whoever is supposed to be moderating the news please do so? > >> apparently there is at least one item stuck in the queue again. > >> > >> Also, what do we need to do to prevent the moderation emails being lost/ignored? > >> > > > > Don't send them to the slaves list. That list gets hammered with so much > > noise it is easy to mentally turn it off. I know that sometimes I forget > > to check events because I open the folder and I have hundreds of > > automirror reports, mirror test reports, autobackup reports etc... > > Well that is what the slaves list is for. It's pretty easy for the > moderators to filter out the stuff from nagios etc - is it really > worth a separate list? *shrug*. I am a big fan of contextual lists. If the list is for reporting then it should be a reporting list. If it is for doing stuff it should be for doing stuff. If you mix the two you get noise. I guess I could hyper filter but generally I just filter based on address not subject or content. Joshua D. Drake > > -- PostgreSQL Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company,serving since 1997
"Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> writes:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>> Don't send them to the slaves list. That list gets hammered with so much
>> noise it is easy to mentally turn it off. I know that sometimes I forget
>> to check events because I open the folder and I have hundreds of
>> automirror reports, mirror test reports, autobackup reports etc...
> Well that is what the slaves list is for. It's pretty easy for the
> moderators to filter out the stuff from nagios etc - is it really
> worth a separate list?
Seems like the real problem here is that the slaves list is overloaded
to the point of uselessness. Proper fix is probably to pay more
attention to not sending noise reports to it in the first place.
regards, tom lane
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> writes: >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: >>> Don't send them to the slaves list. That list gets hammered with so much >>> noise it is easy to mentally turn it off. I know that sometimes I forget >>> to check events because I open the folder and I have hundreds of >>> automirror reports, mirror test reports, autobackup reports etc... > >> Well that is what the slaves list is for. It's pretty easy for the >> moderators to filter out the stuff from nagios etc - is it really >> worth a separate list? > > Seems like the real problem here is that the slaves list is overloaded > to the point of uselessness. Proper fix is probably to pay more > attention to not sending noise reports to it in the first place. 90% of that noise will go away when JD fixes community1... -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 20:01 +0000, Dave Page wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > > "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> writes: > > Seems like the real problem here is that the slaves list is overloaded > > to the point of uselessness. Proper fix is probably to pay more > > attention to not sending noise reports to it in the first place. > > 90% of that noise will go away when JD fixes community1... Those reports don't go to slaves. They spam all of us who can't do anything about the various problems on dozens of machines anyway :P [pgsql-slavestothewww] PostgreSQL AutoMirror Report [pgsql-slavestothewww] PostgreSQL mirror test report: 2008-11-24 [pgsql-slavestothewww] Comment 7356 added to page backup-file.html of version 8.3 So I admit that today is a relatively light day but on Thursday I got five automirror zone reports. Only one of which contained any actual useful information: Mirror 212.247.200.180 (Eastside) recovered, now enabled. Mirror 212.247.200.180 (Eastside) is flapping, disabling. Dumping new zonefile Completed. But not useful for me because there is *nothing* I can do about it. Joshua D. Drake > > -- PostgreSQL Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company,serving since 1997
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 20:01 +0000, Dave Page wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: >> > "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> writes: > >> > Seems like the real problem here is that the slaves list is overloaded >> > to the point of uselessness. Proper fix is probably to pay more >> > attention to not sending noise reports to it in the first place. >> >> 90% of that noise will go away when JD fixes community1... > > Those reports don't go to slaves. They spam all of us who can't do > anything about the various problems on dozens of machines anyway :P Oh, OK. I thought we did still send those to slaves. Feel free to improve the nagios config to make the alerts more targeted though. > [pgsql-slavestothewww] PostgreSQL AutoMirror Report > [pgsql-slavestothewww] PostgreSQL mirror test report: 2008-11-24 > [pgsql-slavestothewww] Comment 7356 added to page backup-file.html of > version 8.3 > > So I admit that today is a relatively light day but on Thursday I got > five automirror zone reports. Only one of which contained any actual > useful information: Well that's pretty much all that goes to slaves then isn't it? Normally we don't expect to see any auto mirror reports - and if we do, it's normally only a handful. The mirror test report is a one a day thing, and the comment added message is moderation. That sounds like very little noise to me. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 > Well that's pretty much all that goes to slaves then isn't it? Maybe we're mixing up slaves: 2008-11-18 | 92008-11-19 | 42008-11-20 | 82008-11-21 | 32008-11-22 | 42008-11-23 | 32008-11-24 | 82008-11-25 | 4 with Nagios: 2008-11-18 | 402008-11-19 | 472008-11-20 | 732008-11-21 | 1042008-11-22 | 432008-11-23 | 1002008-11-24 | 562008-11-25 | 56 The former is only slightly annoying. The latter is getting unbearable. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200811251257 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREDAAYFAkksPKoACgkQvJuQZxSWSsja2ACfYAKdJD1puYadf+XS2dEkXjOi R/AAoOaoC276xewEPLHUH5sSgG28ik7Y =MwRn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dave, I agree with Josh here. I've got moderating rights on news and events, but I've unsubscribed from slaves due to the amount of nagios noise. I'd strongly prefer a moderation-only list. Particularly, I think we should have 3 to 5 people (and the *same* people) with moderation rights on news, events, -announce and related stuff (like services vendors) and a list which takes *only* those moderation messages. --Josh
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Dave, > > I agree with Josh here. I've got moderating rights on news and events, but > I've unsubscribed from slaves due to the amount of nagios noise. > > I'd strongly prefer a moderation-only list. Particularly, I think we should > have 3 to 5 people (and the *same* people) with moderation rights on news, > events, -announce and related stuff (like services vendors) and a list which > takes *only* those moderation messages. Well the easy answer is to just move the remaining couple of sysadmin messages to be delivered directly (or to another list). It's going to make a really minimal difference though, as (contrary to my original recollection) we already moved 99% of the alerts elsewhere. You realise though, there will be *no* excuse for things not getting moderated in a timely fashion once this happens? <tappity-tap-tap> Anyway, I've moved the auto mirror reports, and the mirrorbot reports such that they go to myself, Magnus and Stefan for now. We'll also need to move the SVN commit messages from pgweb (JD), and the archives stuff (Alvaro). Marc, can you create a new list for reports please - maybe sysadmin-reports@, with me as the owner. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Done, done ... and exclusion put in place so that it doesn't get to archives ... On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Dave Page wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: >> Dave, >> >> I agree with Josh here. I've got moderating rights on news and events, but >> I've unsubscribed from slaves due to the amount of nagios noise. >> >> I'd strongly prefer a moderation-only list. Particularly, I think we should >> have 3 to 5 people (and the *same* people) with moderation rights on news, >> events, -announce and related stuff (like services vendors) and a list which >> takes *only* those moderation messages. > > Well the easy answer is to just move the remaining couple of sysadmin > messages to be delivered directly (or to another list). It's going to > make a really minimal difference though, as (contrary to my original > recollection) we already moved 99% of the alerts elsewhere. > > You realise though, there will be *no* excuse for things not getting > moderated in a timely fashion once this happens? > > <tappity-tap-tap> > > Anyway, I've moved the auto mirror reports, and the mirrorbot reports > such that they go to myself, Magnus and Stefan for now. We'll also > need to move the SVN commit messages from pgweb (JD), and the archives > stuff (Alvaro). > > Marc, can you create a new list for reports please - maybe > sysadmin-reports@, with me as the owner. > > > -- > Dave Page > EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Done, done ... and exclusion put in place so that it doesn't get to > archives ... Apparently the exclusion failed, because there is an empty "sysadmin-reports" directory being copied. Also, can I bug you to create the pgsql-es-fomento list that was requested a couple of days ago? And arpug? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Also, can I bug you to create the pgsql-es-fomento list that was > requested a couple of days ago? And arpug? Sure, who should I put as owners? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Apparently the exclusion failed, because there is an empty > "sysadmin-reports" directory being copied. Fixed, typo ... I had excluded 'sysadmins-reports' ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >> Also, can I bug you to create the pgsql-es-fomento list that was >> requested a couple of days ago? And arpug? > > Sure, who should I put as owners? Please see here for arpug (there's another request in there as well, for am-central-pug): http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/2b5e566d0811250756x762b8489u36d8b7a31c77533b%40mail.gmail.com And the owner of pgsql-es-fomento should also be Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> Thanks! -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Yeap, I can take that one. Thanks, gb.- On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> >>> Also, can I bug you to create the pgsql-es-fomento list that was >>> requested a couple of days ago? And arpug? >> >> Sure, who should I put as owners? > > Please see here for arpug (there's another request in there as well, for > am-central-pug): > http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/2b5e566d0811250756x762b8489u36d8b7a31c77533b%40mail.gmail.com > > And the owner of pgsql-es-fomento should also be > Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> > > Thanks! > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >
Any luck on this call? TIA gb.- On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> >>> Also, can I bug you to create the pgsql-es-fomento list that was >>> requested a couple of days ago? And arpug? >> >> Sure, who should I put as owners? > > Please see here for arpug (there's another request in there as well, for > am-central-pug): > http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/2b5e566d0811250756x762b8489u36d8b7a31c77533b%40mail.gmail.com > > And the owner of pgsql-es-fomento should also be > Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> > > Thanks! > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >