Обсуждение: Argentina PUG
Dear all, We are about to have the first PG Day @ Argentina, and I was after the idea of creating a country group, chances to get this? Thanks in advance, gb.-
Guido Barosio escribió: > Dear all, > > We are about to have the first PG Day @ Argentina, and I was after > the idea of creating a country group, chances to get this? Huh, what's wrong with bapug? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
There is nothing Wrong. :) Is better, there are more people from another states and we don't like to left them out! It will be more representative for all. 2008/11/11 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>: > Guido Barosio escribió: >> Dear all, >> >> We are about to have the first PG Day @ Argentina, and I was after >> the idea of creating a country group, chances to get this? > > Huh, what's wrong with bapug? > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www > -- Emanuel Calvo Franco Syscope Postgresql DBA BaPUG / AOSUG Member
Let's create a mailing list, and make Guido the owner: arpug - Argentina PostgreSQL Users Group Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> Who is the owner of bapug? I don't see any archives for that list. Has there been any traffic on it? On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > We are about to have the first PG Day @ Argentina, and I was after > the idea of creating a country group, chances to get this? > > Thanks in advance, > gb.- > -- Selena Deckelmann PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Not yet Selena. We generally use pgsql-es-ayuda list... but, after the PGday we think it will be more active. In other hand, we create an IRC channel on irc.freenode.net for Arpug. We need a time, but there's people who is interest on it. In fact, there are mini-pugs that are growing in the other states (cordoba, corrientes) but they need gow up to converts in a really pugs, that's because we promote the idea to create an Arpug. 2008/11/14 Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com>: > Let's create a mailing list, and make Guido the owner: > > arpug - Argentina PostgreSQL Users Group > Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> > > Who is the owner of bapug? I don't see any archives for that list. Has > there been any traffic on it? > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> We are about to have the first PG Day @ Argentina, and I was after >> the idea of creating a country group, chances to get this? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> gb.- >> > > > > -- > Selena Deckelmann > PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx > Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www > -- Emanuel Calvo Franco Syscope Postgresql DBA BaPUG / AOSUG Member
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Emanuel CALVO FRANCO <postgres.arg@gmail.com> wrote: > Not yet Selena. We generally use pgsql-es-ayuda list... > but, after the PGday we think it will be more active. > In other hand, we create an IRC channel on irc.freenode.net for Arpug. > > We need a time, but there's people who is interest on it. > In fact, there are mini-pugs that are growing in the other states > (cordoba, corrientes) > but they need gow up to converts in a really pugs, that's because we promote > the idea to create an Arpug. Ok, thanks for the update! That's exciting that you're seeing interest in other states. Meantime, those watching -- please create the Argentina-wide mailing list :) -selena -- Selena Deckelmann PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Emanuel CALVO FRANCO escribió: > Not yet Selena. We generally use pgsql-es-ayuda list... > but, after the PGday we think it will be more active. > In other hand, we create an IRC channel on irc.freenode.net for Arpug. > > We need a time, but there's people who is interest on it. > In fact, there are mini-pugs that are growing in the other states > (cordoba, corrientes) > but they need gow up to converts in a really pugs, that's because we promote > the idea to create an Arpug. If it's going to start growing after PGDay, then maybe it makes sense to way until after PGDay to create the list(s). As a completely different topic, I told Selena some time ago that the current naming scheme for PUGs does not scale. If we get a Cordoba PUG, will it be copug? And if we get a Corrientes PUG, what will we name it? corpug? If we ever get a Colombia PUG, what will we use? I suggest that maybe XXpug should be reserved for country codes (so "bapug" and others are already misnomers; it's fortunate that the bapug list has not had any traffic yet. Can we rename bapug to arpug?) *mumble* ISO 3166-2 *mumble* -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
2008/11/14 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>: > Emanuel CALVO FRANCO escribió: >> Not yet Selena. We generally use pgsql-es-ayuda list... >> but, after the PGday we think it will be more active. >> In other hand, we create an IRC channel on irc.freenode.net for Arpug. >> >> We need a time, but there's people who is interest on it. >> In fact, there are mini-pugs that are growing in the other states >> (cordoba, corrientes) >> but they need gow up to converts in a really pugs, that's because we promote >> the idea to create an Arpug. > > If it's going to start growing after PGDay, then maybe it makes sense to > way until after PGDay to create the list(s). > > As a completely different topic, I told Selena some time ago that the > current naming scheme for PUGs does not scale. If we get a Cordoba PUG, > will it be copug? And if we get a Corrientes PUG, what will we name it? > corpug? If we ever get a Colombia PUG, what will we use? > > I suggest that maybe XXpug should be reserved for country codes (so > "bapug" and others are already misnomers; it's fortunate that the bapug > list has not had any traffic yet. Can we rename bapug to arpug?) > *mumble* ISO 3166-2 *mumble* :D The original idea was that, only rename bapug to arpug. the same problem is taking place in central america, a problem with the name. But exist a cuestion: the pugs are created to make an oganization in a country or are made for local people to participate with more meetings and contacts? In the second way,that's becuase we think in 'internal' pugs just for say 'cordoba's people' , to encourage more local events and nearly contacts. unfortunately all these years we were prey to a disruption of many local issues. Potentially there are many people interested and working with Postgresql, and this is what we are trying to seize. > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. > -- Emanuel Calvo Franco Syscope Postgresql DBA BaPUG / AOSUG Member
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Emanuel CALVO FRANCO escribió: >> Not yet Selena. We generally use pgsql-es-ayuda list... >> but, after the PGday we think it will be more active. >> In other hand, we create an IRC channel on irc.freenode.net for Arpug. >> >> We need a time, but there's people who is interest on it. >> In fact, there are mini-pugs that are growing in the other states >> (cordoba, corrientes) >> but they need gow up to converts in a really pugs, that's because we promote >> the idea to create an Arpug. > > If it's going to start growing after PGDay, then maybe it makes sense to > way until after PGDay to create the list(s). > > As a completely different topic, I told Selena some time ago that the > current naming scheme for PUGs does not scale. If we get a Cordoba PUG, > will it be copug? And if we get a Corrientes PUG, what will we name it? > corpug? If we ever get a Colombia PUG, what will we use? I considered that premature optimization. ;) > I suggest that maybe XXpug should be reserved for country codes (so > "bapug" and others are already misnomers; it's fortunate that the bapug > list has not had any traffic yet. Can we rename bapug to arpug?) > *mumble* ISO 3166-2 *mumble* That's fine with me. And easier. From here on out, non-country pugs will have to have at least 3 characters in their abbreviation! I'll handle the issue with BWPUG (ISO 3166-2 assigns BW to Botswana), if/when it comes up. I still like having the messy naming for the rest of the groups. There's no one standard that's going to address regional, state, province and municipality all at once. I realize it makes it harder to find some of the specific groups, but I think that issue be solved by some tagging and better organization on the PUGs site. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Emanuel CALVO FRANCO <postgres.arg@gmail.com> wrote: > :D The original idea was that, only rename bapug to arpug. > the same problem is taking place in central america, a problem with the name. > But exist a cuestion: the pugs are created to make an oganization in a > country or > are made for local people to participate with more meetings and contacts? The primary definition of a PUG is that it is a group of people who meet and talk about PostgreSQL. I encourage PUGs to meet monthly, to drink beer (or something non-alcoholic) and eat together, and to advertise themselves with a mailing list and a website so when people are traveling through they can be the PostgreSQL Welcome Wagon! :) Each PUG, however, has it's own mission and goals. And obviously, the larger groups can't meet that often. But I think it is legitimate to create a PUG mailing list even if a group only meets once a year. So, a PgDay qualifies a group for a list. > In the second way,that's becuase we think in 'internal' pugs just for > say 'cordoba's people' > , to encourage more local events and nearly contacts. I think that if Cordoba would like a separate list, they are welcome to it. They just need get a few people together and have meetings. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
2008/11/14 Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com>: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Emanuel CALVO FRANCO > <postgres.arg@gmail.com> wrote: > >> :D The original idea was that, only rename bapug to arpug. >> the same problem is taking place in central america, a problem with the name. >> But exist a cuestion: the pugs are created to make an oganization in a >> country or >> are made for local people to participate with more meetings and contacts? > > The primary definition of a PUG is that it is a group of people who > meet and talk about PostgreSQL. > > I encourage PUGs to meet monthly, to drink beer (or something > non-alcoholic) and eat together, and to advertise themselves with a > mailing list and a website so when people are traveling through they > can be the PostgreSQL Welcome Wagon! :) This is in our plans (beer). :) > > Each PUG, however, has it's own mission and goals. And obviously, the > larger groups can't meet that often. But I think it is legitimate to > create a PUG mailing list even if a group only meets once a year. So, > a PgDay qualifies a group for a list. > >> In the second way,that's becuase we think in 'internal' pugs just for >> say 'cordoba's people' >> , to encourage more local events and nearly contacts. > > I think that if Cordoba would like a separate list, they are welcome > to it. They just need get a few people together and have meetings. Let's see what happend after the pgday. Is the test of fire :) > > -selena > > -- > Selena Deckelmann > PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx > Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily > -- Emanuel Calvo Franco Syscope Postgresql DBA BaPUG / AOSUG Member
that's right ISO3166-2, +1 2008/11/16 Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com>: > +1 on ISO 3166-2 > > gb.- > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Selena Deckelmann > <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Emanuel CALVO FRANCO >> <postgres.arg@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> From here on out, non-country pugs will have to have at least 3 >>>> characters in their abbreviation! >>>> >>> >>> so, will be rename ArgPug? >> >> If we follow ISO 3166-2, it would be 'arpug'. >> >>>> I'll handle the issue with BWPUG (ISO 3166-2 assigns BW to Botswana), >>>> if/when it comes up. >>>> >>>> I still like having the messy naming for the rest of the groups. >>>> There's no one standard that's going to address regional, state, >>>> province and municipality all at once. >>>> >>> >>> It's a hard work... i think every country must have a general pug, >>> then each must allow local groups. >> >> It's not necessary to have a PUG for every country. >> >> We are just going to reserve the two-letter prefixes for country codes >> from now on. >> >> We will continue to have language-specific lists, which are not >> exclusive to a single country. >> >> -selena >> >> -- >> Selena Deckelmann >> PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx >> Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily >> -- >> TIP 10: no uses HTML en tu pregunta, seguro que quien responda no podrá leerlo >> > -- Emanuel Calvo Franco Syscope Postgresql DBA BaPUG / AOSUG Member
Any update on this? Are we going for the country-pug or locale-pug convention? gb.- On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Emanuel CALVO FRANCO <postgres.arg@gmail.com> wrote: > that's right ISO3166-2, +1 > > 2008/11/16 Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com>: >> +1 on ISO 3166-2 >> >> gb.- >> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Selena Deckelmann >> <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Emanuel CALVO FRANCO >>> <postgres.arg@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> From here on out, non-country pugs will have to have at least 3 >>>>> characters in their abbreviation! >>>>> >>>> >>>> so, will be rename ArgPug? >>> >>> If we follow ISO 3166-2, it would be 'arpug'. >>> >>>>> I'll handle the issue with BWPUG (ISO 3166-2 assigns BW to Botswana), >>>>> if/when it comes up. >>>>> >>>>> I still like having the messy naming for the rest of the groups. >>>>> There's no one standard that's going to address regional, state, >>>>> province and municipality all at once. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's a hard work... i think every country must have a general pug, >>>> then each must allow local groups. >>> >>> It's not necessary to have a PUG for every country. >>> >>> We are just going to reserve the two-letter prefixes for country codes >>> from now on. >>> >>> We will continue to have language-specific lists, which are not >>> exclusive to a single country. >>> >>> -selena >>> >>> -- >>> Selena Deckelmann >>> PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx >>> Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily >>> -- >>> TIP 10: no uses HTML en tu pregunta, seguro que quien responda no podrá leerlo >>> >> > > > > -- > Emanuel Calvo Franco > Syscope Postgresql DBA > BaPUG / AOSUG Member > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >
Guido Barosio escribió: > Any update on this? Are we going for the country-pug or locale-pug convention? Did you guys decide whether you want to start PUGs in Mendoza or other places? The Argentina PUG should probably be named "arpug", but I wonder if the question is what are you going to name provincial PUGs. Note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:AR which says that the code for Mendoza is AR-M. IMHO "ar-m-pug" for Mendoza is a loser, as is m-arpug. How about mendoza-arpug instead? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
We spoke about a regional (LATAM) organization, with country driven organizations. We pretend to attack universities and free software events, therefore a country wide movement makes, IMHO, more sense. gb.- On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Guido Barosio escribió: >> Any update on this? Are we going for the country-pug or locale-pug convention? > > Did you guys decide whether you want to start PUGs in Mendoza or other > places? The Argentina PUG should probably be named "arpug", but I wonder > if the question is what are you going to name provincial PUGs. > > Note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:AR which says that the > code for Mendoza is AR-M. IMHO "ar-m-pug" for Mendoza is a loser, as is > m-arpug. How about mendoza-arpug instead? > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. >
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Guido Barosio escribió: >> Any update on this? Are we going for the country-pug or locale-pug convention? > > Did you guys decide whether you want to start PUGs in Mendoza or other > places? The Argentina PUG should probably be named "arpug", but I wonder > if the question is what are you going to name provincial PUGs. > > Note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:AR which says that the > code for Mendoza is AR-M. IMHO "ar-m-pug" for Mendoza is a loser, as is > m-arpug. How about mendoza-arpug instead? That makes sense to me. arpug can still exist on it's own. For now, I'm grandfathering in the old group names. Next message will be request for the 'arpug' mailing list. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann Open Source Bridge - http://www.opensourcebridge.org PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Many thanks! gb.- On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Alvaro Herrera > <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: >> Guido Barosio escribió: >>> Any update on this? Are we going for the country-pug or locale-pug convention? >> >> Did you guys decide whether you want to start PUGs in Mendoza or other >> places? The Argentina PUG should probably be named "arpug", but I wonder >> if the question is what are you going to name provincial PUGs. >> >> Note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:AR which says that the >> code for Mendoza is AR-M. IMHO "ar-m-pug" for Mendoza is a loser, as is >> m-arpug. How about mendoza-arpug instead? > > That makes sense to me. > > arpug can still exist on it's own. > > For now, I'm grandfathering in the old group names. > > Next message will be request for the 'arpug' mailing list. > > -selena > > > -- > Selena Deckelmann > Open Source Bridge - http://www.opensourcebridge.org > PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx > Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily >