Обсуждение: Re: POST sfpug pgsql@j-davis.com

On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:00:23PM -0300, majordomo-owner@postgresql.org wrote:
> The command:
>   "(post to sfpug)"
> 
> issued by:
>   Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
> 
> was executed with status:
>   0 (failure)
> 
> in session:
>   c7f13d309723c648cb3bc1cad652e553d4c034a0
> 
> from the resend interface, taking 1.088 seconds.
> 
> Your message to the sfpug list has been denied
> for the following reason(s):
> 
> The message is too big
> The message body is too long (574064 > 30720)

Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post approved?

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David.
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David,

> Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post approved?

I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to be?  I 
certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG list.

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Josh Berkus
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On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 13:31 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> David,
> 
> > Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post approved?
> 
> I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to be?  I 
> certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG list.
> 

Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this might be
a non-issue.

Regards,Jeff Davis

On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:54:24PM -0700, Jeff Davis wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 13:31 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > David,
> > 
> > > Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post
> > > approved?
> > 
> > I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to
> > be?  I certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG list.
> > 
> 
> Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this
> might be a non-issue.

Easiest would be to attach same to the SFPUG meeting announcement :)

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David.
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Jeff,

> Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this might be
> a non-issue.

pugs.postgresql.org.  I'm trying to get that to work for me, though.

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Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL
San Francisco

On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 14:55 -0700, David Fetter wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:54:24PM -0700, Jeff Davis wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 13:31 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > David,
> > > 
> > > > Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post
> > > > approved?
> > > 
> > > I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to
> > > be?  I certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG list.
> > > 
> > 
> > Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this
> > might be a non-issue.
> 
> Easiest would be to attach same to the SFPUG meeting announcement :)
> 

I don't see an obvious way to attach files there myself. So is the
process for speakers to send the files directly to you or Josh, and then
for you guys to post it there?

Regards,Jeff Davis

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 13:31 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> David,
>>
>> > Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post approved?
>>
>> I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to be?  I
>> certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG list.
>>
>
> Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this might be
> a non-issue.

http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Related_Slides_and_Presentations

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On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 08:26:40AM +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 13:31 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >> David,
> >>
> >> > Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post
> >> > approved?
> >>
> >> I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to
> >> be?  I certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG
> >> list.
> >>
> >
> > Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this
> > might be a non-issue.
> 
> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Related_Slides_and_Presentations

Good idea, and linking them from the PUG pages, etc.  is much easier,
too :)

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David.
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Dave Page wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 13:31 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>>> David,
>>>
>>>> Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post approved?
>>> I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to be?  I
>>> certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG list.
>>>
>> Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this might be
>> a non-issue.
> 
> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Related_Slides_and_Presentations
> 

Are files we post to the wiki backed up somehow?  I'd like to start 
uploading more docs and presentations, but I'm concerned about the wiki 
being a good place for them.

--Josh

Josh Berkus wrote:
> Dave Page wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 13:31 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>>> Can we get this limit increased, and the aforementioned post approved?
>>>> I think that I can increase the limit, but what do we want it to be?  I
>>>> certainly don't want to get 10MB attachments on a PUG list.
>>>>
>>> Is there another logical place to post talk slides? If so, this might be
>>> a non-issue.
>>
>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Related_Slides_and_Presentations 
>>
>>
> 
> Are files we post to the wiki backed up somehow?  I'd like to start 
> uploading more docs and presentations, but I'm concerned about the wiki 
> being a good place for them.

yes - we have (offsite) backups for the wiki.


Stefan

All,

Ok, I've just tried this, after Greg fixed the file type qualification 
for mediawiki.  What I've found out is that mediawiki really isn't 
designed to support uploading files other than images, and that using 
mediawiki for file-sharing is a cumbersome 4-step process *per file*.

We need a better tool for sharing presentations and documents.  I've 
been using pgfoundry, but it's not really designed to support more than 
a few dozen documents per project and has zero concurrency on doc changes.

Suggestions?  Surely there's some OSS project we can use out of the box?

--Josh

4 steps is far from perfect but it's hardly the end of the world (it
only took me a few minutes to upoad the pguk slides for all the
talks). The effort to install, maintain and continuously direct ppl
elsewhere would be far greater.

On 10/8/08, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> Ok, I've just tried this, after Greg fixed the file type qualification
> for mediawiki.  What I've found out is that mediawiki really isn't
> designed to support uploading files other than images, and that using
> mediawiki for file-sharing is a cumbersome 4-step process *per file*.
>
> We need a better tool for sharing presentations and documents.  I've
> been using pgfoundry, but it's not really designed to support more than
> a few dozen documents per project and has zero concurrency on doc changes.
>
> Suggestions?  Surely there's some OSS project we can use out of the box?
>
> --Josh
>


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On Wednesday 08 October 2008 12:52, dpage@pgadmin.org wrote:
> 4 steps is far from perfect but it's hardly the end of the world (it
> only took me a few minutes to upoad the pguk slides for all the
> talks). The effort to install, maintain and continuously direct ppl
> elsewhere would be far greater.

Well, frankly, I'm using pgFoundry because its problems are less bad than 
mediawiki's.  Here's the issues with mediawiki:

(1) filenames are global for the whole wiki.
(2) there is no way to group uploaded files
(3) there is no way to link uploaded files to a specific page when you 
upload them; you have to cut-and-paste
(4) there is no good way to search what files have been uploaded other than 
eyeball

So we have three different systems for sharing files in postgresql.org, all 
of which combine different amounts of upload pain, lack of version 
control, and search difficulty.  I guess the answer is for me to get 
powerpostgresql.org migrated and start using my own site.

-- 
--Josh

Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL
San Francisco