Обсуждение: Re: IM
Hi, I'm unhappy about our Jabber server. This is what Bruce just told me about it: > Frankly I think the whole idea of running our own jabber server is crazy > and has caused all sorts of confusion. In my opinion, it has been a very useful tool, but there are some implementation restrictions that make it much less useful than it could be. Bruce continues: > I have been promised an account > on that server many times but it never happened. For me the jabber > server has turned into a secret clubhouse, which isn't very effective > for moving the community forward. Do you guys look at girely magazines > in there or what? :-) You have to admit that this "secret clubhouse" thing is there all right. Who gets an account, and how it is named, is a complete mistery. I see two accounts that have never connected at all: one is named "brucemomjian" and the other is "petereisentraut". Does anybody think that they are inactive members of the community? I don't. But I also have no clue why would anyone choose such an username. I know I would be very annoyed if somebody offered me an account named "alvaroherrera". Bruce closes with > As far as I know I don't have an account, and if I do I have no idea > what my password is. So there's another problem here: somebody created accounts, but the person who was supposed to use it has no clue about it. This all started because Bruce wasn't able to talk to me on IM. I said "hey, add my jabber.postgresql.org account to your momjian.us account and we should connect." But it didn't work at all. Bruce gets a weird XMPP 404 error; apparently the Jabber server is just not able to talk to outside jabber servers. I know it was capable of doing so some days ago -- I tested it myself. Now it's messed up again. I really hate to have to waste time complaining about something that someone else wasted time to set up. But if we're gonna offer a service, let's provide said service. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.advogato.org/person/alvherre "The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn of the crow." (William Blake)
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org> wrote: > > As far as I know I don't have an account, and if I do I have no idea > > what my password is. > > So there's another problem here: somebody created accounts, but the > person who was supposed to use it has no clue about it. Yeah, the same thing happened to me a while back. I re-installed the OS on may laptop and for a few weeks was unable to login. It was only when I managed to chat with JD on the phone that we realised my username was davepage instead of dpage which I use pretty much everywhere else :-( > This all started because Bruce wasn't able to talk to me on IM. I said > "hey, add my jabber.postgresql.org account to your momjian.us account > and we should connect." But it didn't work at all. Bruce gets a weird > XMPP 404 error; apparently the Jabber server is just not able to talk to > outside jabber servers. I know it was capable of doing so some days ago > -- I tested it myself. Now it's messed up again. > > I really hate to have to waste time complaining about something that > someone else wasted time to set up. But if we're gonna offer a service, > let's provide said service. Much as I hate to say it, the jabber service is almost entirely a CommandPrompt thing. That's not to say we don't support the idea of having one - just that the guys there (obviously not you) set it up and maintain it, whilst none of the rest of us know anything about it. It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber server!!). I'm happy for us to take a more active role managing it, but we could use some details on how it all works on PMT. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Am Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2008 schrieb Alvaro Herrera: > You have to admit that this "secret clubhouse" thing is there all right. > Who gets an account, and how it is named, is a complete mistery. I see > two accounts that have never connected at all: one is named > "brucemomjian" and the other is "petereisentraut". Does anybody think > that they are inactive members of the community? I don't. I know I have this account, but I did not actually request it and I never bothered to use it because I have enough other IM accounts (including jabber) that are relatively public knowledge and that PostgreSQL folks are welcome to use. In my experience, there are plenty of free Jabber services available. I don't see an advantage in running our own, considering the management overhead.
Dave Page wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org> wrote: > > This all started because Bruce wasn't able to talk to me on IM. I said > > "hey, add my jabber.postgresql.org account to your momjian.us account > > and we should connect." But it didn't work at all. Bruce gets a weird > > XMPP 404 error; apparently the Jabber server is just not able to talk to > > outside jabber servers. I know it was capable of doing so some days ago > > -- I tested it myself. Now it's messed up again. > > > > I really hate to have to waste time complaining about something that > > someone else wasted time to set up. But if we're gonna offer a service, > > let's provide said service. > > Much as I hate to say it, the jabber service is almost entirely a > CommandPrompt thing. That's not to say we don't support the idea of > having one - just that the guys there (obviously not you) set it up > and maintain it, whilst none of the rest of us know anything about it. Okay. Just before sending the email I was talking to Devrim about it, and he said he doesn't want to be involved in that server at all. So what this leaves us with is that only Joshua Drake is in charge of the server. We (the community) have long seen this kind of situation as inacceptable, where a single person is in charge of services. Now it's frowned upon that only Marc has access to our Majordomo or DNS, for example (even if he chooses to ignore the raised eyebrows). I know Joshua is not a control freak :-) so I guess the current situation is more the result of an unfortunate sequence of events than anything else. > It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly > useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber > server!!). True :-( > I'm happy for us to take a more active role managing it, but we could > use some details on how it all works on PMT. I'll talk to Joshua about it. Thanks. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > We (the community) have long seen this kind of situation as > inacceptable, where a single person is in charge of services. Now it's > frowned upon that only Marc has access to our Majordomo or DNS, for > example (even if he chooses to ignore the raised eyebrows). Actually there are a couple of us with access to that stuff - in the mj2 case though the problem is largely that only Marc has gone to the trouble of learning how it works. > I know > Joshua is not a control freak :-) so I guess the current situation is > more the result of an unfortunate sequence of events than anything else. Yeah. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
> Much as I hate to say it, the jabber service is almost entirely a > CommandPrompt thing. That's not to say we don't support the idea of > having one - just that the guys there (obviously not you) set it up > and maintain it, whilst none of the rest of us know anything about it. > It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly > useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber > server!!). As a suggestion, it can easily be made into a more community thing if we used Openfire. It's got a nice web-UI and pgsql-www people could be made into admins who can log into said UI and more easily manage it. It's also got a nice built in web based jabber client (Spark) which could be handy. It also (optionally) uses PgSQL as a backend for buddy list storage and the like. Gavin
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Gavin M. Roy <gmr@myyearbook.com> wrote: >> Much as I hate to say it, the jabber service is almost entirely a >> CommandPrompt thing. That's not to say we don't support the idea of >> having one - just that the guys there (obviously not you) set it up >> and maintain it, whilst none of the rest of us know anything about it. >> It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly >> useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber >> server!!). > > As a suggestion, it can easily be made into a more community thing if > we used Openfire. It's got a nice web-UI and pgsql-www people could > be made into admins who can log into said UI and more easily manage > it. It's also got a nice built in web based jabber client (Spark) > which could be handy. It also (optionally) uses PgSQL as a backend > for buddy list storage and the like. We use OpenFire at work, and it rocks. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Gavin M. Roy wrote: >> Much as I hate to say it, the jabber service is almost entirely a >> CommandPrompt thing. That's not to say we don't support the idea of >> having one - just that the guys there (obviously not you) set it up >> and maintain it, whilst none of the rest of us know anything about it. >> It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly >> useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber >> server!!). > > As a suggestion, it can easily be made into a more community thing if > we used Openfire. It does use open fire.
Gavin M. Roy wrote: > > Much as I hate to say it, the jabber service is almost entirely a > > CommandPrompt thing. That's not to say we don't support the idea of > > having one - just that the guys there (obviously not you) set it up > > and maintain it, whilst none of the rest of us know anything about it. > > It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly > > useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber > > server!!). > > As a suggestion, it can easily be made into a more community thing if > we used Openfire. It's got a nice web-UI and pgsql-www people could > be made into admins who can log into said UI and more easily manage > it. It's also got a nice built in web based jabber client (Spark) > which could be handy. It also (optionally) uses PgSQL as a backend > for buddy list storage and the like. AFAIK it's actually OpenFire, or perhaps it's a WildFire installation waiting to be upgraded. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Dave Page wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Alvaro Herrera > <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: >> I know >> Joshua is not a control freak :-) so I guess the current situation is >> more the result of an unfortunate sequence of events than anything else. > > Yeah. I think people are having a tendency to forget history here. The jabber service is something that I set up for people. It was not a .Org service. I asked for a .Org name but it was understood at the time that this was pretty much a JD bag. In fact at the time, there were many that didn't even see the point in the service. The service has grown (which I am happy about) and it is beginning to become more of a central item for the community. This is why for example we have been testing the ability for the service to talk to other jabber servers (which seems to work but muc is broke). It is also why I reaffirmed the policy with sysadmins recently. The policy is this: Contributors may have an account if they please. The system is being configured to allow outbound connections. If there are people that would like to help manage the jabber service, that's cool. Let's keep it real. Joshua D. Drake
Great :) On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Gavin M. Roy wrote: >>> >>> Much as I hate to say it, the jabber service is almost entirely a >>> CommandPrompt thing. That's not to say we don't support the idea of >>> having one - just that the guys there (obviously not you) set it up >>> and maintain it, whilst none of the rest of us know anything about it. >>> It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly >>> useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber >>> server!!). >> >> As a suggestion, it can easily be made into a more community thing if >> we used Openfire. > > It does use open fire. > >
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Dave Page wrote: >> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Alvaro Herrera >> <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: >>> I know >>> Joshua is not a control freak :-) so I guess the current situation is >>> more the result of an unfortunate sequence of events than anything else. >> >> Yeah. > > I think people are having a tendency to forget history here. The jabber > service is something that I set up for people. It was not a .Org > service. I asked for a .Org name but it was understood at the time that > this was pretty much a JD bag. In fact at the time, there were many that > didn't even see the point in the service. I'm sorry to disagree, but if you give it a postgresql.org name, then it is implicit that it is a community service. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:47:40 -0400 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > We (the community) have long seen this kind of situation as > inacceptable, where a single person is in charge of services. Just curious, but is: a) JD unwilling to allow anyone *outside* of CMD work on that server? b) does anyone feel that it is worth maintaining? I don't have an account there either (or, if I do, don't know what hte password is), but everyone in the community I talk with, I generally do it using Yahoo or MSN, having 'yet another account' seems a waste to me ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgjKWIACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNbhQCfa4yUWQHcDZ0huks0eF26YvT+ zzUAn0I1gqpAepZnvEiMiw5c/HgJIX9u =/ZBM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:19:50 -0400 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > I think people are having a tendency to forget history here. The > > jabber service is something that I set up for people. It was not > > a .Org service. I asked for a .Org name but it was understood at > > the time that this was pretty much a JD bag. In fact at the time, > > there were many that didn't even see the point in the service. > > I'm sorry to disagree, but if you give it a postgresql.org name, then > it is implicit that it is a community service. *sigh* it really doesn't matter does it? The facts are the facts. That is the way the service was provisioned, that is the way it has been since its inception. For the record (again): 1. We use OpenFire, formerly Wildfire 2. Jabber has been configured to allow external connections. This was tested and seemed to work. I note now that it does not for some reason (I will check it) but the proper thing to do would have been to open a ticket on PMT. 3. Bruce has *not* requested an account many times. He has requested an account, yes which is why he has one. Did I perhaps forget to send him his credentials, maybe. Should Bruce have just pinged or called (yes, he has my phone number) me and say, "Hey JD WTH?". Yes. Which the problem would have been resolved a lot quicker than the lovely stateless communication we are all burning time on. 4. Any contributor can have an account. 5. If people want to help manage the jabber service, please contact me directly. My preference is that it would be someone who is already a .Org sysadmin. I repeat, keep it real. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
With openfire an account only needs to be flagged as an admin account and one can login to the web UI and admin the service. Access to the box really isn't a pre-requisite from that perspective. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > - --On Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:47:40 -0400 Alvaro Herrera > <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > >> We (the community) have long seen this kind of situation as >> inacceptable, where a single person is in charge of services. > > Just curious, but is: > > a) JD unwilling to allow anyone *outside* of CMD work on that server? > b) does anyone feel that it is worth maintaining? > > I don't have an account there either (or, if I do, don't know what hte password > is), but everyone in the community I talk with, I generally do it using Yahoo > or MSN, having 'yet another account' seems a waste to me ... > > - -- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkgjKWIACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNbhQCfa4yUWQHcDZ0huks0eF26YvT+ > zzUAn0I1gqpAepZnvEiMiw5c/HgJIX9u > =/ZBM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >
On Thursday 08 May 2008 09:55, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I'm sorry to disagree, but if you give it a postgresql.org name, then > > it is implicit that it is a community service. > > *sigh* it really doesn't matter does it? The facts are the facts. That > is the way the service was provisioned, that is the way it has been > since its inception. <sarcasm>Heh, yet more evidence how all the CMD folks always agree with each other.</sarcasm> Personally, I could care less about who manages jabber if it would stop kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day. Some kind of public sign-up page would be nice, though; even if we're adding people through this list it's still not known to be available to the larger community. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:56:01 -0700 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Personally, I could care less about who manages jabber if it would > stop kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day. I don't experience this behavior. Does anyone else? > > Some kind of public sign-up page would be nice, though; even if we're > adding people through this list it's still not known to be available > to the larger community. > I would agree that the service should documented somewhere. I will add it to my things to do to the /community links. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Thu, 8 May 2008 15:01:05 -0400 "Gavin M. Roy" <gmr@myyearbook.com> wrote: > JD: you should consider upgrading to 3.5.1 if you haven't already... > There are a fair # of bugfixes and such. Actually in review I see now, that we are still running the old wildfire. I will schedule that to be upgraded. It was jabber.cmd that was openfire was upgraded to. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
JD: you should consider upgrading to 3.5.1 if you haven't already... There are a fair # of bugfixes and such. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > On Thursday 08 May 2008 09:55, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> > I'm sorry to disagree, but if you give it a postgresql.org name, then >> > it is implicit that it is a community service. >> >> *sigh* it really doesn't matter does it? The facts are the facts. That >> is the way the service was provisioned, that is the way it has been >> since its inception. > > <sarcasm>Heh, yet more evidence how all the CMD folks always agree with each > other.</sarcasm> > > Personally, I could care less about who manages jabber if it would stop > kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day. > > Some kind of public sign-up page would be nice, though; even if we're adding > people through this list it's still not known to be available to the larger > community. > > -- > Josh Berkus > PostgreSQL @ Sun > San Francisco > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www >
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:56:01 -0700 > > Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > > > > > Personally, I could care less about who manages jabber if it would > > stop kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day. > > I don't experience this behavior. Does anyone else? I don't. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Thursday 08 May 2008 15:28:37 Dave Page wrote:
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:56:01 -0700
> >
> > Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> > > Personally, I could care less about who manages jabber if it would
> > >
> > > stop kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day.
> >
> > I don't experience this behavior. Does anyone else?
>
> I don't.
>
me niether.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
All, > > > > stop kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day. > > > > > > I don't experience this behavior. Does anyone else? > > > > I don't. > > me niether. Bizarre. It's pretty regular. Happens to me pretty much every day -- I get kicked off and can't login again for 20min or so. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > > > > > stop kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day. > > > > > > > > I don't experience this behavior. Does anyone else? > > > > > > I don't. > > > > me niether. > > Bizarre. It's pretty regular. Happens to me pretty much every day > -- I get kicked off and can't login again for 20min or so. It doesn't happen to me either. What does happen, is that if I'm for some reason kicked off the network itself (say the WWAN drops or something like that), I get kicked off for 20 mins or so (error saying something about "conflict"). But as long as my own local network connection is stable, I don't get kicked off. //Magnus
Hi, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2008 schrieb Alvaro Herrera: >> You have to admit that this "secret clubhouse" thing is there all right. ... > ... > use. In my experience, there are plenty of free Jabber services available. > I don't see an advantage in running our own, considering the management > overhead. > personally I'm wondering whats really the use of IM when we already have IRC available? I mean, after all IM's capabilities are just a subset of IRC's. I use IM's to have contact with non IRC-People, but does this service really make sense for postgres? The only usefull thing could be to proof that Jabber can be run on top of postgres in case something like this needs to be set up in a company. :-) Just my thoughts... Tino
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, May 08, 2008 20:13:49 -0700 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > All, > >> > > > stop kicking me off for 1/2 hour twice a day. >> > > >> > > I don't experience this behavior. Does anyone else? >> > >> > I don't. >> >> me niether. > > Bizarre. It's pretty regular. Happens to me pretty much every day -- I get > kicked off and can't login again for 20min or so. Is it consistent as far as time of day is concerned, or totally random? - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgkQJQACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvPqYACg1f+K1mo2b2bKyU1f7OrJV+9t IqMAn3VGd1y3SWeM77FIQbIWd7MPHTNQ =xKqw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Magnus Hagander wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > > Bizarre. It's pretty regular. Happens to me pretty much every day > > -- I get kicked off and can't login again for 20min or so. > > It doesn't happen to me either. What does happen, is that if I'm for > some reason kicked off the network itself (say the WWAN drops or > something like that), I get kicked off for 20 mins or so (error saying > something about "conflict"). But as long as my own local network > connection is stable, I don't get kicked off. I have seen this "conflict" error too. I think it happens when the server thinks your previous connection is still open. My guess is that those 20 minutes are the time it takes to notice it's gone -- maybe a keepalive timeout or something like that. As for the kicks, I guess someone should check the logs. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Tino Wildenhain wrote: > personally I'm wondering whats really the use of IM when we already have > IRC available? I mean, after all IM's capabilities are just a subset of > IRC's. I use IM's to have contact with non IRC-People, but does this > service really make sense for postgres? Personally I never login on the IRC channel. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
On Friday 09 May 2008 08:37:34 Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > Bizarre. It's pretty regular. Happens to me pretty much every day
> > > -- I get kicked off and can't login again for 20min or so.
> >
> > It doesn't happen to me either. What does happen, is that if I'm for
> > some reason kicked off the network itself (say the WWAN drops or
> > something like that), I get kicked off for 20 mins or so (error saying
> > something about "conflict"). But as long as my own local network
> > connection is stable, I don't get kicked off.
>
> I have seen this "conflict" error too. I think it happens when the
> server thinks your previous connection is still open. My guess is that
> those 20 minutes are the time it takes to notice it's gone -- maybe a
> keepalive timeout or something like that.
>
Yes, conflict mean you are logged onto the network already (or at least it
thinks you are). Now I *think* there is a way to configure the server to boot
off existing connections when you attempt to login again rather than refuse
the new attempt; not sure of that, but it might be worth looking into.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Am Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2008 schrieb Dave Page: > It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly > useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber > server!!). > > I'm happy for us to take a more active role managing it, but we could > use some details on how it all works on PMT. I see this PMT thing being mentioned on occasion, but it is itself not documented any place I could find. Could you shed some light on it?
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2008 schrieb Dave Page: >> It is documented on PMT, but unfortunately not in a particularly >> useful way (it basically says - jabber(.postgresql.org) is a jabber >> server!!). >> >> I'm happy for us to take a more active role managing it, but we could >> use some details on how it all works on PMT. > > I see this PMT thing being mentioned on occasion, but it is itself not > documented any place I could find. Could you shed some light on it? It's a trac installation on which we (the sysadmin team) document infrastructure, manage task/issue tickets and have key config data from all servers auto-backed up to svn. For fairly obvious reasons it's not public. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Tino Wildenhain wrote: > >> personally I'm wondering whats really the use of IM when we already have >> IRC available? I mean, after all IM's capabilities are just a subset of >> IRC's. I use IM's to have contact with non IRC-People, but does this >> service really make sense for postgres? > > Personally I never login on the IRC channel. > You don't need to - you can use IRC just like IM - login to the server and /query your buddies :-) Cheers Tino
Hi, On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 12:13 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > JD: you should consider upgrading to 3.5.1 if you haven't already... > > There are a fair # of bugfixes and such. > > Actually in review I see now, that we are still running the old > wildfire. I will schedule that to be upgraded. It was jabber.cmd that > was openfire was upgraded to. Uh... I upgraded it to 3.5 at the end of April, but yeah, it looks like it is rolled back to wildfire... Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/