Обсуждение: Wiki?
Several people I spoke to on Toronto thought that a Wiki would be useful. How could we make this happen? -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
On Sunday 16 July 2006 10:41, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Several people I spoke to on Toronto thought that a Wiki would be > useful. How could we make this happen? For what purpose? We already have user editable documentation at http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Robert Treat wrote: > For what purpose? For sharing notes among developers, for instance. > We already have user editable documentation at > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs That has nothing to do with it. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Robert Treat wrote: > On Sunday 16 July 2006 10:41, Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> Several people I spoke to on Toronto thought that a Wiki would be >> useful. How could we make this happen? > > For what purpose? We already have user editable documentation at > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs Well honestly? Wiki is pretty much the standard way to deliver collaborative content on the web. I am not saying we should change, but to answer your question :) Joshua D. Drake > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Several people I spoke to on Toronto thought that a Wiki would be > useful. How could we make this happen? It wouldn't be tough. Something I ran across this week that I have not heard of was http://www.howtoforge.com which has been amazingly useful to me in the last two days (learning Xen on Ubuntu). We do have full editable content at techdocs as well. There are a couple of problems with it: 1. You can't sign up from the techdocs area. You can only sign up from the community area. 2. It doesn't tell you on the techdocs page that you need to signup at the community area. 3. Community login is on the left hand side of the page, in small text (white against a grey background) ;) If we make it a bit easier to use techdocs, we can probably substitute a wiki for it. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Robert Treat wrote: >> For what purpose? > > For sharing notes among developers, for instance. > >> We already have user editable documentation at >> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs > > That has nothing to do with it. Oh -- so you want a wiki for developer content? That is different. I can set this up on community0 (the same machine we host search on) in no time. Do you have a particular favorite? Would you like Trac? With Trac I can give you a wiki and the entire cvs (converting to svn) repo... You can take a look here for the results: http://projects.commandprompt.com/public/pgsql Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
Robert, Magnus, > For what purpose? We already have user editable documentation at > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs FWIW, the new techdocs is still too buggy for the general community to use. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
-----Original Message----- From: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> To: "Peter Eisentraut" <peter_e@gmx.net> Cc: "Robert Treat" <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>; "pgsql-www@postgresql.org" <pgsql-www@postgresql.org> Sent: 16/07/06 17:38 Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? > Oh -- so you want a wiki for developer content? That is different. And sounds like a fine idea (I wouldn't want a wiki for user docs). Sounds like an ideal new use for developer.postgresql.org. Any objections? What wiki? /D
D, > Sounds like an ideal new use for developer.postgresql.org. Any objections? > What wiki? mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious choices. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
> -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com] > Sent: 16 July 2006 19:11 > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Cc: Dave Page; Joshua D. Drake; Peter Eisentraut; Robert Treat > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? > > D, :-) > > Sounds like an ideal new use for developer.postgresql.org. > Any objections? > > What wiki? > > mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two > obvious choices. OK, I'll bung it on my TODO. Might be a slight delay as we're still recovering from a lightning strike at work so things are a touch hectic atm, especially given staff holidays and other absences :-( JD: This would obviously be separate from the other Trac+Wiki that we already discussed, so please don't pull Devrim off that job! Regards, Dave.
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> OK, I'll bung it on my TODO. Might be a slight delay as we're still
> recovering from a lightning strike at work so things are a touch hectic
> atm, especially given staff holidays and other absences :-(
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> JD: This would obviously be separate from the other Trac+Wiki that we
> already discussed, so please don't pull Devrim off that job!
No problem. I can setup trac in about 15 minutes. Let me review what is
going on, on that machine and I will get back to the list shortly.
Joshua D. Drake
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> Regards, Dave.
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Josh Berkus wrote: > mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious > choices. mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
> -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e@gmx.net] > Sent: 16 July 2006 20:37 > To: Josh Berkus > Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Dave Page; Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? > > Josh Berkus wrote: > > mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious > > choices. > > mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac > seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this. Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text file. Is that name right? Regards, Dave.
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: >> mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious >> choices. > > mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac > seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this. Do we want to set this up as a replacement for developer.postgresql.org? Does anyone feel up to being responsible for admin/setup? I can install, that's the easy part ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
Dave, > Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text > file. Is that name right? pgfoundry.org/projects/wikipedia -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e@gmx.net] >> Sent: 16 July 2006 20:37 >> To: Josh Berkus >> Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Dave Page; Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat >> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? >> >> Josh Berkus wrote: >>> mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious >>> choices. >> >> mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac >> seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this. > > Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text > file. Is that name right? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki for PostgreSQL ... is what I'm gathering ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Josh Berkus wrote: > Dave, > >> Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text >> file. Is that name right? > > pgfoundry.org/projects/wikipedia Just found it too ... cool :) ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
> -----Original Message----- > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] > Sent: 16 July 2006 20:52 > To: Josh Berkus > Cc: Dave Page; Peter Eisentraut; pgsql-www@postgresql.org; > Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? > > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > Dave, > > > >> Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in > an OSDL text > >> file. Is that name right? > > > > pgfoundry.org/projects/wikipedia > > Just found it too ... cool :) Thanks Josh. If you wanna install it Marc, please go ahead. It'll save me a job :-) If not, just yell. I was thinking that it would work well right at the root of developer.postgresql.org... /D
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Do we want to set this up as a replacement for > developer.postgresql.org? I'd imagine wiki.postgresql.org -- it doesn't have to be *strictly* for developers after all. You can probably set up the virtual host name easily. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
> -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e@gmx.net] > Sent: 16 July 2006 21:01 > To: Marc G. Fournier > Cc: Josh Berkus; pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Dave Page; Joshua > D. Drake; Robert Treat > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Do we want to set this up as a replacement for > > developer.postgresql.org? > > I'd imagine wiki.postgresql.org -- it doesn't have to be > *strictly* for > developers after all. You can probably set up the virtual host name > easily. I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read. Regards, Dave.
> I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to
> prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly
> containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as
> something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read.
>
> Regards, Dave.
>
O.k. hold on. Who is doing this, Marc or Me? I really don't care which
but I also don't want to duplicate efforts. I was going to put it on the
same machines as search.postgresql.org.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote: > Thanks Josh. If you wanna install it Marc, please go ahead. It'll save > me a job :-) If not, just yell. > > I was thinking that it would work well right at the root of > developer.postgresql.org... I will make it this weeks project, and report back when its up and at tha tURL ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e@gmx.net] >> Sent: 16 July 2006 21:01 >> To: Marc G. Fournier >> Cc: Josh Berkus; pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Dave Page; Joshua >> D. Drake; Robert Treat >> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? >> >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> Do we want to set this up as a replacement for >>> developer.postgresql.org? >> >> I'd imagine wiki.postgresql.org -- it doesn't have to be >> *strictly* for >> developers after all. You can probably set up the virtual host name >> easily. > > I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to > prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly > containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as > something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read. I'm going to set it up as developer.postgresql.org for now ... if we so desire, after playing with it, to extend taht into wiki.postgresql.org, that shouldn't pose a problem, or set it up as a seperate site from the developers one ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
> -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] > Sent: 16 July 2006 21:29 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Marc G. Fournier; Josh Berkus; > pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Robert Treat > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki? > > > > I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to > > prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly > > containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as > > something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read. > > > > Regards, Dave. > > > > O.k. hold on. Who is doing this, Marc or Me? I really don't > care which > but I also don't want to duplicate efforts. I was going to > put it on the > same machines as search.postgresql.org. I believe it should be the new developer.postgresql.org, thus it's a job for Marc (or me). The 'other' one that you/Devrim are doing is a private trac/wiki for the web team/server admins to document everything which Gavin will run for us. Regards, Dave
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to >> prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly >> containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as >> something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read. >> >> Regards, Dave. >> > > O.k. hold on. Who is doing this, Marc or Me? I really don't care which but I > also don't want to duplicate efforts. I was going to put it on the same > machines as search.postgresql.org. I'm setting up mediawiki for pg on the developer.postgresql.org subdomain ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
> -----Original Message----- > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] > Sent: 16 July 2006 21:40 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Josh Berkus; Peter Eisentraut; > pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat > Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] Wiki? > > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote: > > > Thanks Josh. If you wanna install it Marc, please go ahead. > It'll save > > me a job :-) If not, just yell. > > > > I was thinking that it would work well right at the root of > > developer.postgresql.org... > > I will make it this weeks project, and report back when its > up and at tha > tURL ... :-) Cool, thanks. /D
> I believe it should be the new developer.postgresql.org, thus it's a job
> for Marc (or me).
Not sure how either is relevant ;) but o.k. Long and short... if you
guys want to use the machine that search is on, please feel free. Dave
you have sudo rights on that machine so it should not be a problem.
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> The 'other' one that you/Devrim are doing is a private trac/wiki for the
> web team/server admins to document everything which Gavin will run for
> us.
Right which can also be on the same machine as search.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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> Regards, Dave
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