Обсуждение: Candidate new site design
Hi all, I received an email to the webmaster address the other day with an offer to redesign the main site for us (free of charge of course). My reply went along the lines of 'send us an example and we'll consider it with the rest'. Anyway, Lukasz has indeed produced a mock-up at the url below for our consideration. Dunno about the rest of you, but I quite like this one. Regards, Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: lark [mailto:lark@no1-else.com] > Sent: 24 August 2004 17:52 > To: Dave Page > Subject: Re: [webmaster] Question > > Hi Dave... > > It's Lukasz again ;-)) > > As I promise I was made today a website proposal for You: > > http://no1-else.com/postgre.jpg > > Take a look, if You could. I would greatfull for any opinion, > sugestions/whatever ;-)). So... at this moment I wait for Your answer. > Feel free to mail, if You have any ideas. > > Best Regards, Lukasz > > > -- > Lukasz Skowron aka lark > http://lark.no1-else.com > http://czasopismo.pl >
Hi,
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Dave Page wrote:
> I received an email to the webmaster address the other day with an offer
> to redesign the main site for us (free of charge of course). My reply
> went along the lines of 'send us an example and we'll consider it with
> the rest'. Anyway, Lukasz has indeed produced a mock-up at the url below
> for our consideration. Dunno about the rest of you, but I quite like
> this one.
When I saw the design, I said "That's it!"
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Thanks, Lukasz, for taking the time to put together a mock-up. (And thanks, Dave, for forwarding it to the list :) On Aug 25, 2004, at 9:08 PM, Dave Page wrote: >> http://no1-else.com/postgre.jpg >> >> Take a look, if You could. I would greatfull for any opinion, >> sugestions/whatever ;-)). So... at this moment I wait for Your answer. >> Feel free to mail, if You have any ideas. I think the look is very professional and stylish overall. The standards geek in me is wondering how the code is built. If it's not already, i'd like to see how much of it could be built using xhtml and css. Michael Glaesemann grzm myrealbox com
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:grzm@myrealbox.com] > Sent: 25 August 2004 13:14 > To: Dave Page > Cc: lark@no1-else.com; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Candidate new site design > > Thanks, Lukasz, for taking the time to put together a > mock-up. (And thanks, Dave, for forwarding it to the list :) > > On Aug 25, 2004, at 9:08 PM, Dave Page wrote: > >> http://no1-else.com/postgre.jpg > >> > >> Take a look, if You could. I would greatfull for any opinion, > >> sugestions/whatever ;-)). So... at this moment I wait for > Your answer. > >> Feel free to mail, if You have any ideas. > > I think the look is very professional and stylish overall. > The standards geek in me is wondering how the code is built. > If it's not already, i'd like to see how much of it could be > built using xhtml and css. Obviously however it's done, any new design will have to work with our new framework as well (not that that /should/ cause any real problems). /D
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet That bloody awesome, pardon my french. ... John > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Dave Page > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:08 PM > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Cc: lark@no1-else.com > Subject: [pgsql-www] Candidate new site design > > Hi all, > > I received an email to the webmaster address the other day > with an offer to redesign the main site for us (free of > charge of course). My reply went along the lines of 'send us > an example and we'll consider it with the rest'. Anyway, > Lukasz has indeed produced a mock-up at the url below for our > consideration. Dunno about the rest of you, but I quite like this one. > > Regards, Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lark [mailto:lark@no1-else.com] > > Sent: 24 August 2004 17:52 > > To: Dave Page > > Subject: Re: [webmaster] Question > > > > Hi Dave... > > > > It's Lukasz again ;-)) > > > > As I promise I was made today a website proposal for You: > > > > http://no1-else.com/postgre.jpg > > > > Take a look, if You could. I would greatfull for any opinion, > > sugestions/whatever ;-)). So... at this moment I wait for > Your answer. > > Feel free to mail, if You have any ideas. > > > > Best Regards, Lukasz > > > > > > -- > > Lukasz Skowron aka lark > > http://lark.no1-else.com > > http://czasopismo.pl > > > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend > >
Dave Page wrote: > Hi all, > > I received an email to the webmaster address the other day with an offer > to redesign the main site for us (free of charge of course). My reply > went along the lines of 'send us an example and we'll consider it with > the rest'. Anyway, Lukasz has indeed produced a mock-up at the url below > for our consideration. Dunno about the rest of you, but I quite like > this one. Wow, that's awesome! Lukasz, are you able to do multi-lingual stuff as well? For example, a replacement website for advocacy.postgresql.org. :) Out of curiosity Lukasz, is your motivation for this long term (you will help us on an on-going basis) or short term (the site design only)? Please don't mis-understand me, I'm not critising at all. I'm actually very impressed. I'm just wanting to understand how people here will need to be arranged for things. :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift > Regards, Dave
Nice, except the banner ads are missing and are required ... On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Dave Page wrote: > Hi all, > > I received an email to the webmaster address the other day with an offer > to redesign the main site for us (free of charge of course). My reply > went along the lines of 'send us an example and we'll consider it with > the rest'. Anyway, Lukasz has indeed produced a mock-up at the url below > for our consideration. Dunno about the rest of you, but I quite like > this one. > > Regards, Dave > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lark [mailto:lark@no1-else.com] >> Sent: 24 August 2004 17:52 >> To: Dave Page >> Subject: Re: [webmaster] Question >> >> Hi Dave... >> >> It's Lukasz again ;-)) >> >> As I promise I was made today a website proposal for You: >> >> http://no1-else.com/postgre.jpg >> >> Take a look, if You could. I would greatfull for any opinion, >> sugestions/whatever ;-)). So... at this moment I wait for Your answer. >> Feel free to mail, if You have any ideas. >> >> Best Regards, Lukasz >> >> >> -- >> Lukasz Skowron aka lark >> http://lark.no1-else.com >> http://czasopismo.pl >> > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Hi all, Was just looking at the main page, and the thought popped up that there are a real lot of events being displayed now. Perhaps they deserve their own Events page now? It'd let us show things in multiple ways too, maybe with a pretty looking calender thing and all? :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Justin Clift wrote: > Dave Page wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I received an email to the webmaster address the other day with an offer >> to redesign the main site for us (free of charge of course). My reply >> went along the lines of 'send us an example and we'll consider it with >> the rest'. Anyway, Lukasz has indeed produced a mock-up at the url below >> for our consideration. Dunno about the rest of you, but I quite like >> this one. <snip> >> Regards, Dave
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Nice, except the banner ads are missing and are required ... Is there no possible alternative to having the banner ads? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 08:19, Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:grzm@myrealbox.com] > > Sent: 25 August 2004 13:14 > > To: Dave Page > > Cc: lark@no1-else.com; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Candidate new site design > > > > Thanks, Lukasz, for taking the time to put together a > > mock-up. (And thanks, Dave, for forwarding it to the list :) > > > > On Aug 25, 2004, at 9:08 PM, Dave Page wrote: > > >> http://no1-else.com/postgre.jpg > > >> > > >> Take a look, if You could. I would greatfull for any opinion, > > >> sugestions/whatever ;-)). So... at this moment I wait for > > Your answer. > > >> Feel free to mail, if You have any ideas. > > > > I think the look is very professional and stylish overall. > > The standards geek in me is wondering how the code is built. > > If it's not already, i'd like to see how much of it could be > > built using xhtml and css. > > Obviously however it's done, any new design will have to work with our > new framework as well (not that that /should/ cause any real problems). > Yeah, it will also need to fit in with new site architecture (folding in developer and advocacy bits to the main site) but it certainly deserves kudos for style. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Justin Clift wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> Nice, except the banner ads are missing and are required ... > > Is there no possible alternative to having the banner ads? No ... Over the past month, I've had a couple of ppl actually sign up for a full year in advance, and am getting more and more inquiries ... If you want to change the placement, instead of top left/right, so that they are still visible, that works ... but they are required. ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> -----Original Message----- > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] > Sent: 25 August 2004 15:03 > To: Justin Clift > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page; pgsql-www@postgresql.org; > lark@no1-else.com > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Candidate new site design > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Justin Clift wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > >> > >> Nice, except the banner ads are missing and are required ... > > > > Is there no possible alternative to having the banner ads? > > No ... Over the past month, I've had a couple of ppl actually > sign up for a full year in advance, and am getting more and > more inquiries ... > > If you want to change the placement, instead of top > left/right, so that they are still visible, that works ... > but they are required. I'm sure we could work them into the design. What about merging the project ones (of which there are very few iirc) into the main rotation so we only display one ad per page (perhaps at the bottom of the right bar on the candidate design for example)? Regards, Dave.
I think the plan is actually to split events and training into two
separate pieces. Take a look at php.net to see how they did it.
Robert Treat
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 09:53, Justin Clift wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Was just looking at the main page, and the thought popped up that there
> are a real lot of events being displayed now. Perhaps they deserve
> their own Events page now? It'd let us show things in multiple ways
> too, maybe with a pretty looking calender thing and all? :)
>
> Regards and best wishes,
>
> Justin Clift
>
>
> Justin Clift wrote:
> > Dave Page wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I received an email to the webmaster address the other day with an offer
> >> to redesign the main site for us (free of charge of course). My reply
> >> went along the lines of 'send us an example and we'll consider it with
> >> the rest'. Anyway, Lukasz has indeed produced a mock-up at the url below
> >> for our consideration. Dunno about the rest of you, but I quite like
> >> this one.
> <snip>
> >> Regards, Dave
>
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Dave Page wrote: > I'm sure we could work them into the design. What about merging the > project ones (of which there are very few iirc) into the main rotation > so we only display one ad per page (perhaps at the bottom of the right > bar on the candidate design for example)? I have no problems with merging them both into one ... but, bottom wouldn't be as effective ... how about under the black bar, on the right? Just above the 'What Is?' Something similar to how it is at: http://www.php.net/ ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Marc G. Fournier wrote: <snip> > I have no problems with merging them both into one ... but, bottom > wouldn't be as effective ... how about under the black bar, on the > right? Just above the 'What Is?' Something similar to how it is at: > > http://www.php.net/ Hmmm, maybe we should ask Lukasz, the new designer what he reckons the best way to display the banner ads is too? :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Justin, Marc, > Is there no possible alternative to having the banner ads? I *do* actually have a plan to phase out the banner ads. However, it requires us to get the Foundation certified and start fund-raising; for now, we kinda need them. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Guys, > > I have no problems with merging them both into one ... but, bottom > > wouldn't be as effective ... how about under the black bar, on the > > right? Just above the 'What Is?' Something similar to how it is at: Look, one of the ads was a freebee for other OSS projects, right? Surely we can drop that one. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
I have no problem dropping the 800 Pound Gorilla mirror banner ad and think we should come up with a way to attribute mirror hosts on the mirror page instead of in banner ads. Also I like the design, but think we should use the standard logo text color and font, I can provide the .ai file if the designer needs it. Also the glossy logo is good, but might be too much, can we see what the normal logo looks like? Gavin Josh Berkus wrote: >Guys, > > > >>>I have no problems with merging them both into one ... but, bottom >>>wouldn't be as effective ... how about under the black bar, on the >>>right? Just above the 'What Is?' Something similar to how it is at: >>> >>> > >Look, one of the ads was a freebee for other OSS projects, right? Surely we >can drop that one. > > >
Robert, > I think the plan is actually to split events and training into two > separate pieces. Take a look at php.net to see how they did it. If you're splitting, can we please split news into "Project News" and "Product Announcements"? Betas, etc, are starting to get buried by projects and commercial software that uses PG. I think it's important to the submitters ... and to the community ... that annoucements make it on the home page, even if only for a couple of days. For the submitter, this gives a chance for 50,000 people to see the announcement, and for the community it gives them an incentive to check the home page every day. Someday we should also augment the "Submit Event/News" scripts so that they automatically post to pgsql-announce; it would save some effort. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > Guys, > >>> I have no problems with merging them both into one ... but, bottom >>> wouldn't be as effective ... how about under the black bar, on the >>> right? Just above the 'What Is?' Something similar to how it is at: > > Look, one of the ads was a freebee for other OSS projects, right? Surely we > can drop that one. We can drop totally, or merge it into the other one as a lower priority banner ... I'm fine either way ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > No ... Over the past month, I've had a couple of ppl actually sign up > for a full year in advance, and am getting more and more inquiries How does this work? Entity A (you) makes contracts that require that entity B (postgresql.org web site) performs certain actions. That sounds pretty backwards. What if someone else comes along that makes contracts that the site has to be green? Who decides these things? What happens with the money? -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > I have no problems with merging them both into one ... but, bottom > wouldn't be as effective ... how about under the black bar, on the > right? Just above the 'What Is?' Something similar to how it is at: > > http://www.php.net/ I'm thinking like slashdot. Put them in a separate area above the top. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> No ... Over the past month, I've had a couple of ppl actually sign up >> for a full year in advance, and am getting more and more inquiries > > How does this work? Entity A (you) makes contracts that require that > entity B (postgresql.org web site) performs certain actions. That > sounds pretty backwards. What if someone else comes along that makes > contracts that the site has to be green? Who decides these things? > What happens with the money? 50% will be sent to the Advocacy Foundation ... the rest goes towards bandwidth and server costs ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> I have no problems with merging them both into one ... but, bottom >> wouldn't be as effective ... how about under the black bar, on the >> right? Just above the 'What Is?' Something similar to how it is at: >> >> http://www.php.net/ > > I'm thinking like slashdot. Put them in a separate area above the top. That works too ... I just always hated the 'full banners' like that ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 15:29, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > No ... Over the past month, I've had a couple of ppl actually sign up
> > for a full year in advance, and am getting more and more inquiries
>
> How does this work? Entity A (you) makes contracts that require that
> entity B (postgresql.org web site) performs certain actions. That
> sounds pretty backwards. What if someone else comes along that makes
> contracts that the site has to be green? Who decides these things?
> What happens with the money?
>
Not that I want to defend the banner ads but this was all discussed long
ago and agreed to (more or less) by a number of people. Check the list
archives, if they don't have anything I am sure someone could send you
some specific emails.
Oh, the money currently goes into an account maintained by hub.org, with
the intention to have the money go to the foundation once the ducks are
in a little nicer row.
Robert Treat
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Josh Berkus wrote: <snip> > Someday we should also augment the "Submit Event/News" scripts so that they > automatically post to pgsql-announce; it would save some effort. Hmmmm, that'll require adding a check to the News and Event editing code, so that it recognises the first time a news or event item goes from the "not active" to "active" state. We'll probably just need a boolean field added to the news items database records, and the same for events. Then the: http://www.postgresql.org/admin/edit_news.php script updated to check that boolean for the first time it changes. The only potential problem point I can see is that the text is often customised with HTML tags to display properly in users browsers. However, that's not going to be so optimal for text-only mail outs. Trying to think of a more workable approach: + Perhaps stripping/processing all HTML tags and mailing out the result? (sounds difficult/messy) + Perhaps having another textarea field in the edit_news.php page for text only, and that gets mailed out to the pgsql-announce mailing list. It'd automatically contain the same initial text as the body of the news item, but the person looking it over would make sure it was suitable for text mailout. + If we want to get fancy, we could have a "Test Email" button that sends the email out to a (user defined) email address for the person looking things over to verify that the email to be sent will look ok, prior to doing it for real. Hope that's helpful. :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift
> -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin M. Roy [mailto:gmr@ehpg.net] > Sent: 25 August 2004 18:19 > To: Josh Berkus > Cc: Justin Clift; Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page; > pgsql-www@postgresql.org; lark@no1-else.com > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Candidate new site design > > I have no problem dropping the 800 Pound Gorilla mirror > banner ad and think we should come up with a way to attribute > mirror hosts on the mirror page instead of in banner ads. Yes - I'm not sure how we can best do that however, given that we only distribute static html to the mirrors. > Also I like the design, but think we should use the standard > logo text color and font, I can provide the .ai file if the > designer needs it. Thanks. > Also the glossy logo is good, but might be too much, can we > see what the normal logo looks like? I quite like shiny Slonik :-) Regards, Dave.
Guys, > > I have no problem dropping the 800 Pound Gorilla mirror > > banner ad and think we should come up with a way to attribute > > mirror hosts on the mirror page instead of in banner ads. > > Yes - I'm not sure how we can best do that however, given that we only > distribute static html to the mirrors. Just so you know, my personal "long-term" plan is to "replace" the banner ads with Donor Listings for the Foundation. Once we can seriously fundraise for the Foundation, we can then put mirror maintainers in the Donor Listings, next to Red Hat and Fujitsu; I'm sure that would be acceptable. And I hope to be raising enough cash that the $100/month from the paid ads is superfluous. However, the Foundation doesn't even have its paperwork yet, so it'll be a bit. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco