Обсуждение: Re: Upgraded Site..any news ?
> -----Original Message----- > From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:borz_off@cs.msu.su] > Sent: 26 February 2004 20:49 > To: David Costa > Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Upgraded Site..any news ? > > Meanwhile I was going to borrow some code from Horde for > cleaner gettext() management and produce a clean patch for > the current CVS version of 'portal'. Watch the licence there - we publish the website code under BSD... Regards, Dave.
> -----Original Message----- > From: David Costa [mailto:geeks@dotgeek.org] > Sent: 26 February 2004 20:31 > To: Alexey Borzov; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: [pgsql-www] Upgraded Site..any news ? > > > Another suggestion, wouldn't be worth to change the look and > feel for http://store.pgsql.com/ ? We don't own it. PostgreSQL Inc. do (which does make me wonder why we link directly to it from every page). Regards, Dave.
Dave, > We don't own it. PostgreSQL Inc. do (which does make me wonder why we > link directly to it from every page). Well, in theory, they run it for our benefit. We're supposed to get 20% of each sale. -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Feb 26, 2004, at 11:37 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > Dave, > >> We don't own it. PostgreSQL Inc. do (which does make me wonder why we >> link directly to it from every page). > > Well, in theory, they run it for our benefit. We're supposed to get > 20% of > each sale. Then they might consider adding caps or making it a bit more appealing. Some ideas (just thinking loud, I am not saying that what is there now is not good..) It could be worth to outsource it, as apache does with jinx http://www.jinxhackwear.com/scripts/products.asp?affid=16&catID=-1 We could also add some Donation buttons/links like apache does. It would be fairly simple via paypal and I think people would do that. At least, I will ;) Cheers David > > -- > -Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco >
> -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com] > Sent: 26 February 2004 22:38 > To: Dave Page; David Costa; Alexey Borzov; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Upgraded Site..any news ? > > Dave, > > > We don't own it. PostgreSQL Inc. do (which does make me > wonder why we > > link directly to it from every page). > > Well, in theory, they run it for our benefit. We're > supposed to get 20% of > each sale. We do? That's OK then. Regards, Dave.
David, > Then they might consider adding caps or making it a bit more appealing. > Some ideas > (just thinking loud, I am not saying that what is there now is not > good..) Actually, it was supposed to be outsourced to CafePress. Marc? -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Feb 26, 2004, at 11:49 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > David, > >> Then they might consider adding caps or making it a bit more >> appealing. >> Some ideas >> (just thinking loud, I am not saying that what is there now is not >> good..) > > Actually, it was supposed to be outsourced to CafePress. Marc? That is another great way to do it. Cafepress offers also CD's and they do take care of the design et all. And they do have a lot of items :) > > -- > -Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco >
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > Dave, > > > We don't own it. PostgreSQL Inc. do (which does make me wonder why we > > link directly to it from every page). > > Well, in theory, they run it for our benefit. We're supposed to get 20% of > each sale. Which, for almost the past year, have been close to zero ... David is right, in that the site just plain sucks ... I'm a programmer, and it definitely :( David, if you want to propose a new front end to it, I know I'd definitely not argue against it ... :) ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, David Costa wrote: > Then they might consider adding caps or making it a bit more appealing. > Some ideas > (just thinking loud, I am not saying that what is there now is not > good..) > It could be worth to outsource it, as apache does with jinx > http://www.jinxhackwear.com/scripts/products.asp?affid=16&catID=-1 > We could also add some Donation buttons/links like apache does. It > would be fairly simple via paypal and I think people would do that. > At least, I will ;) I think it was Jinx that Robert was looking at ... I had also looked at Cafeexpress(sp?), which is another one that does it ... the conversation that Robert and I had about it kinda died when I think we both got busy, but the nice thing about doing it through either of those is they have *a helluva lot* of selection, without us having the major overhead of getting stuff pre-printed and hoping it will go ... Robert, any status on that side of things? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > David, > > > Then they might consider adding caps or making it a bit more appealing. > > Some ideas > > (just thinking loud, I am not saying that what is there now is not > > good..) > > Actually, it was supposed to be outsourced to CafePress. Marc? *rofl* then Robert came at me with the Jinx stuff ... I have the CafePress account stuff setup, but not sure where Robert went with the Jinx, as both of us got really busy and it all got side-tracked ... I'll work on finishing the CafePress stuff this weekend, and post the link here so that others can see / comment ... I have to fix those images based on Dave's comments, and clean up the font on the text ... shouldn't take me long to complete ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
It's rumoured that Marc G. Fournier once said: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> > We don't own it. PostgreSQL Inc. do (which does make me wonder why >> > we link directly to it from every page). >> >> Well, in theory, they run it for our benefit. We're supposed to get >> 20% of each sale. > > Which, for almost the past year, have been close to zero ... David is > right, in that the site just plain sucks ... I'm a programmer, and it > definitely :( > > David, if you want to propose a new front end to it, I know I'd > definitely not argue against it ... :) What's wrong with the Cafe Press one? The only issue we had there iirc, is that one of us didn't like the font on some of the merchandise <grin> /D
Hi! Dave Page wrote: >>Meanwhile I was going to borrow some code from Horde for >>cleaner gettext() management and produce a clean patch for >>the current CVS version of 'portal'. > > Watch the licence there - we publish the website code under BSD... Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me whether it is OK to use parts of it.
Alexey Borzov wrote: > Hi! > > Dave Page wrote: > >>Meanwhile I was going to borrow some code from Horde for > >>cleaner gettext() management and produce a clean patch for > >>the current CVS version of 'portal'. > > > > Watch the licence there - we publish the website code under BSD... > > Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me whether > it is OK to use parts of it. It is not. LGPL requires that any changes we make be published, and we currently don't have that resetriction with our BSD license. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Dave Page wrote: > It's rumoured that Marc G. Fournier once said: > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > >> Dave, > >> > >> > We don't own it. PostgreSQL Inc. do (which does make me wonder why > >> > we link directly to it from every page). > >> > >> Well, in theory, they run it for our benefit. We're supposed to get > >> 20% of each sale. > > > > Which, for almost the past year, have been close to zero ... David is > > right, in that the site just plain sucks ... I'm a programmer, and it > > definitely :( > > > > David, if you want to propose a new front end to it, I know I'd > > definitely not argue against it ... :) > > What's wrong with the Cafe Press one? The only issue we had there iirc, is > that one of us didn't like the font on some of the merchandise <grin> Yup, working on fixing that up this afternoon ... or, at least, this weekend, depending on how many emergencies pop up :) ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Feb 28, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Alexey Borzov wrote: >> >> Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me >> whether >> it is OK to use parts of it. > > It is not. LGPL requires that any changes we make be published, and we > currently don't have that resetriction with our BSD license. I am not 100% sure but, if you need a class (e.g. a php pear class) which is released under e.g. php license you can certainly use it regardless of what your license policy is unless you plan to modify it and redistribute it under a difference license. The same would apply for a CPAN module, there are released under artistic license isn't it ? If we take a class and extend it that should just be as fine as we are using it. What exactly are you planning to use from Horde? the mirror ip to country is a rather basic script (if you use the same one used at php.net) and doesn't even need a class as far as I know.. http://www.php.net/source.php?url=/my.php ) > Regards, David Costa, PostgreSQL Advocate david at postgresql ddoot org gurugeek att php dot net $dsn = 'pgsql://world:most_advanced@localhost/open_source_database';
On Friday 27 February 2004 14:02, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, David Costa wrote: > > Then they might consider adding caps or making it a bit more appealing. > > Some ideas > > (just thinking loud, I am not saying that what is there now is not > > good..) > > It could be worth to outsource it, as apache does with jinx > > http://www.jinxhackwear.com/scripts/products.asp?affid=16&catID=-1 > > We could also add some Donation buttons/links like apache does. It > > would be fairly simple via paypal and I think people would do that. > > At least, I will ;) > > I think it was Jinx that Robert was looking at ... I had also looked at > Cafeexpress(sp?), which is another one that does it ... the conversation > that Robert and I had about it kinda died when I think we both got busy, > but the nice thing about doing it through either of those is they have *a > helluva lot* of selection, without us having the major overhead of getting > stuff pre-printed and hoping it will go ... > > Robert, any status on that side of things? > Woops... forgot I needed to respond to this. We looked at jinx in the context of mass producing t-shirts for use at conferences, and it didnt seem right for that task. We didn't really look into to much for a complete solution, though it seems it would be adequate based on some of the other sites that use them. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Saturday 28 February 2004 18:59, David Costa wrote: > On Feb 28, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Alexey Borzov wrote: > >> Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me > >> whether > >> it is OK to use parts of it. > > > > It is not. LGPL requires that any changes we make be published, and we > > currently don't have that resetriction with our BSD license. > > I am not 100% sure but, if you need a class (e.g. a php pear class) > which is released under e.g. php license you can certainly use it > regardless of what your license policy is unless you plan to modify it > and redistribute it under a difference license. > > The same would apply for a CPAN module, there are released under > artistic license isn't it ? > > If we take a class and extend it that should just be as fine as we are > using it. What exactly are you planning to use from Horde? > the mirror ip to country is a rather basic script (if you use the same > one used at php.net) and doesn't even need a class as far as I know.. > http://www.php.net/source.php?url=/my.php ) > The problem is that if we modify these classes/packages and then make them a part of our source tree, we are bound by whatever license terms the packages come with. Since we offer our code as BSD, we cannot include code that would restrict our ability to license the web code under BSD. We can use the lgpl classes provided in PEAR so long as it's not required the code be put into our source tree, but lifting code from one of these and including it in our code is not acceptable. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Mar 1, 2004, at 5:24 AM, Robert Treat wrote:
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> The problem is that if we modify these classes/packages and then make
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> part of our source tree, we are bound by whatever license terms the
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Fine, thanks for the clarification. Just for the sake of transparency
I am working on my own code implementation for the IP2country on
postgresql mirrors,
nothing borrowed from horde to avoid any possible trouble. I will
upload on my beta space as soon as possible.
It should be fine as pear classes are not part of the source three as
these are only in the include dir (which is outside of the three).
I will not modify any existing pear class.
BTW Pear classes are released under PHP license, this should be
different then LGPL isn't it ?
Cheers
David
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> Robert Treat
> --
> Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Hi! David Costa wrote: > Fine, thanks for the clarification. Just for the sake of transparency I > am working on my own code implementation for the IP2country on > postgresql mirrors, > nothing borrowed from horde to avoid any possible trouble. I will upload > on my beta space as soon as possible. Current implementation of ip2country in portal was written by Andreas, I didn't change it at all. I don't think there can be problems with that. I wanted to borrow some code (Lang class, to be exact) for handling *gettext* issues. > It should be fine as pear classes are not part of the source three as > these are only in the include dir (which is outside of the three). > I will not modify any existing pear class. > > BTW Pear classes are released under PHP license, this should be > different then LGPL isn't it ? Different PEAR classes are released under different licenses, AFAIK there exist BSD and LGPL licensed ones.
On Mar 1, 2004, at 10:08 PM, Alexey Borzov wrote: > Hi! > > David Costa wrote: >> Fine, thanks for the clarification. Just for the sake of transparency >> I am working on my own code implementation for the IP2country on >> postgresql mirrors, >> nothing borrowed from horde to avoid any possible trouble. I will >> upload on my beta space as soon as possible. > > Current implementation of ip2country in portal was written by Andreas, > I didn't change it at all. I don't think there can be problems with > that. Well, AFAIK is not available at the moment so if I find the time I will try to code it up in the upcoming days :D > > I wanted to borrow some code (Lang class, to be exact) for handling > *gettext* issues. > >> It should be fine as pear classes are not part of the source three as >> these are only in the include dir (which is outside of the three). >> I will not modify any existing pear class. >> BTW Pear classes are released under PHP license, this should be >> different then LGPL isn't it ? > > Different PEAR classes are released under different licenses, AFAIK > there exist BSD and LGPL licensed ones. > yes well using a class is possible regardless of its license as it will not be part of the source three. I checked your beta, very nice, that said I would not recommend using a template system aka smarty or any pear template. It will tie the website development to the development/API of that specific class and to me, is not good. Cheers David >