Обсуждение: [Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)]

I can't find an address to complain about the mailing list itself, so apologies but I'm posting directly to this list.
Everytime I post to this group, I get returned mails about OTHER subscribers' invalid accounts, like the one below.
What'sup?  This seems to be a new phenomenon.  Should the postmaster@postgresql.org be getting these and discarding
them?

Thanks,
Craig


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:15:16 -0400
From: postmaster@usaemail.enpocket.com
To: cjames@modgraph-usa.com

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       martin@usaemail.enpocket.com

On Jul 12, 2006, at 11:39 , Craig A. James wrote:

> I can't find an address to complain about the mailing list itself,
> so apologies but I'm posting directly to this list.  Every time I
> post to this group, I get returned mails about OTHER subscribers'
> invalid accounts, like the one below.

Is this when you're replying to a post or creating a new post? If the
former, and you're using reply-to-all, you'll be sending one message
to the list and another directly to the poster of the message you're
responding to. The directly sent message is outside of the list
entirely, so any returned mail is also outside of the list. I've seen
this happen occasionally myself. Could this be what you're seeing?
AFAICT, such messages sent to the list *do* get filtered out.

Michael Glaesemann
grzm seespotcode net

> I can't find an address to complain about the mailing list itself, so apologies but I'm posting
> directly to this list.  Every time I post to this group, I get returned mails about OTHER
> subscribers' invalid accounts, like the one below.  What's up?  This seems to be a new
> phenomenon.  Should the postmaster@postgresql.org be getting these and discarding them?
>
> Thanks,
> Craig

Does the message come from postgresql.org or is the bounced email coming from these specific users
when you include them in reply-all?

Regards,

Richard Broersma jr.

I wrote:
>> I can't find an address to complain about the mailing list itself, so
>> apologies but I'm posting directly to this list.  Every time I post to
>> this group, I get returned mails about OTHER subscribers' invalid
>> accounts, like the one below.

Michael Glaesemann replied:
> Is this when you're replying to a post or creating a new post? If the
> former, and you're using reply-to-all, you'll be sending one message to
> the list and another directly to the poster of the message you're
> responding to.

And Richard Broersma Jr replied:
> Does the message come from postgresql.org or is the bounced email coming from these specific users
> when you include them in reply-all?

Thanks to both for your answers.  But no -- It's for new posts.  In fact, when writing the email that started this
thread,it was only to pgsql-performance@postgresql.org (I double-checked by using emacs on my Thunderbird "Sent"
folder),yet I still got another "undeliverable" reply along with your message: 

>    This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>    Delivery to the following recipients failed.
>       martin@usaemail.enpocket.com


Craig

> >    This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
> >    Delivery to the following recipients failed.
> >       martin@usaemail.enpocket.com

yes, I got the same thing that you did here. only i got when I replied all to your email.  Are you
sure this individual wasn't listed in any of your CC or BCC addresses?

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients failed.
       martin@usaemail.enpocket.com

Reporting-MTA: dns;enpocket-exch.usaemail.enpocket.com
Received-From-MTA: dns;middx.enpocketbureau.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:58 -0400

Final-Recipient: rfc822;martin@usaemail.enpocket.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1

"Craig A. James" <cjames@modgraph-usa.com> writes:
> Thanks to both for your answers.  But no -- It's for new posts.  In fact, when writing the email that started this
thread,it was only to pgsql-performance@postgresql.org (I double-checked by using emacs on my Thunderbird "Sent"
folder),yet I still got another "undeliverable" reply along with your message: 

>> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>> Delivery to the following recipients failed.
>> martin@usaemail.enpocket.com

This means that usaemail.enpocket.com has seriously misconfigured mail
software --- it's bouncing undeliverable messages to the From: address
rather than to the envelope sender (which will be pgsql-performance-owner
for a message coming through the pgsql-performance list).  This is
generally considered sufficiently unfriendly behavior that proof of it
is grounds for instant ejection from a mailing list, because the From:
address is someone who has no control over where the mailing list tries
to deliver to.  Certainly it's grounds for ejection from any PG list.
Send the bounce message with full headers to the list admin (Marc
Fournier, scrappy at postgresql.org) and martin@usaemail.enpocket.com
will soon be an ex-subscriber.

            regards, tom lane