Обсуждение: [FINALLY] the TODO list has migrated to Wiki
Hi, Thanks to Brendan Jurd, who spent a lot of effort in creating useful Mediawiki templates, we now have moved the TODO list to the Wiki site. The new official location for the TODO list is here: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo I hereby kindly request the WWW team to update any references to point to the new address; perhaps install a redirection in http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.TODO.html to the new location. The move has been approved by Bruce, the current maintainer. I hope that he continues to maintain the new version. While many details have been sorted out during the move, being a wiki there is nothing set in stone. Feel free to do changes like improve the markup or the templates so that things look better (after appropriate discussion), but if you intend to make changes like mark items completed, add new items, or remove items, please email pgsql-hackers as has been Bruce's tradition. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:12:15 -0400 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > The move has been approved by Bruce, the current maintainer. I hope > that he continues to maintain the new version. This is great! I only have one small request. The font is really small and I have pretty good eyesight. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Joshua Drake wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:12:15 -0400 > Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > > > The move has been approved by Bruce, the current maintainer. I hope > > that he continues to maintain the new version. > > This is great! I only have one small request. The font is really small > and I have pretty good eyesight. How does it compare to the font size of the previous version of the TODO list? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks to Brendan Jurd, who spent a lot of effort in creating useful > Mediawiki templates, we now have moved the TODO list to the Wiki site. > > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo > > I hereby kindly request the WWW team to update any references to point > to the new address; perhaps install a redirection in > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.TODO.html to the new location. > > The move has been approved by Bruce, the current maintainer. I hope > that he continues to maintain the new version. > > While many details have been sorted out during the move, being a wiki > there is nothing set in stone. Feel free to do changes like improve the > markup or the templates so that things look better (after appropriate > discussion), but if you intend to make changes like mark items > completed, add new items, or remove items, please email pgsql-hackers as > has been Bruce's tradition. The wiki has a similar appearance compared to the old TODO html file, and allows easy editing, either per TODO section or the entire file; the markup is also simple. This should allow other people to maintain the TODO list, as they have done with the commit fest list. I believe TODO and TODO.html files should now be removed from CVS. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks to Brendan Jurd, who spent a lot of effort in creating useful > Mediawiki templates, we now have moved the TODO list to the Wiki site. Yay! Thanks to Brendan for helping out with that! > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo > > I hereby kindly request the WWW team to update any references to point > to the new address; perhaps install a redirection in > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.TODO.html to the new location. Done on both accounts. > The move has been approved by Bruce, the current maintainer. I hope > that he continues to maintain the new version. And let's keep the version in CVS around for a couple of days to let things settle before we do a "cvs remove" on it.. //Magnus
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:26:11AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:12:15 -0400 > Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > > The move has been approved by Bruce, the current maintainer. I > > hope that he continues to maintain the new version. > > This is great! I only have one small request. The font is really > small and I have pretty good eyesight. Fixed :) Cheers, David. -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter@gmail.com Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:53:57 -0700 David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: > > This is great! I only have one small request. The font is really > > small and I have pretty good eyesight. > > Fixed :) Much better, thanks! Joshua D. Drake > > Cheers, > David. -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> I believe TODO and TODO.html files should now be removed from CVS.
+1. Leaving them in CVS would just result in confusion.
It might make sense to leave TODO still in the file set, but reduce its
content to a pointer to the wiki page.
regards, tom lane
Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> writes:
> And let's keep the version in CVS around for a couple of days to let
> things settle before we do a "cvs remove" on it..
Why? "cvs remove" is reversible, if it comes to that.
regards, tom lane
Tom Lane wrote: > Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> writes: >> And let's keep the version in CVS around for a couple of days to let >> things settle before we do a "cvs remove" on it.. > > Why? "cvs remove" is reversible, if it comes to that. Good pt. I was mixing it up with the sucky way cvs deals with directory removals. My bad, suggestion withdrawn. //Magnus
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: > > I believe TODO and TODO.html files should now be removed from CVS. > > +1. Leaving them in CVS would just result in confusion. > > It might make sense to leave TODO still in the file set, but reduce its > content to a pointer to the wiki page. Done. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo What is it with this strange page naming? Have we not established some time ago that the colon is only supposed to be used for metapages? We kind of blew this on the commit fest pages, but at least new content should do it right. Plus, a URL such as http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo would be a lot more obvious to find.
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo > > What is it with this strange page naming? I agree with your argument. I think we inherited this name from a very old attempt to do the conversion, and just didn't worry about it very much, being too stressed about pleasing Bruce with the new format ;-) -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Plus, a URL such as http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo would be a > lot more obvious to find. Moved. The old name is kept as a redirect. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes: > Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> Plus, a URL such as http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo would be a >> lot more obvious to find. > Moved. The old name is kept as a redirect. Pls make doc/TODO match. regards, tom lane
Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes: > > Peter Eisentraut wrote: > >> Plus, a URL such as http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo would be a > >> lot more obvious to find. > > > Moved. The old name is kept as a redirect. > > Pls make doc/TODO match. Done. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes: > > > Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > >> Plus, a URL such as http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo would be a > > >> lot more obvious to find. > > > > > Moved. The old name is kept as a redirect. > > > > Pls make doc/TODO match. The TODO link on the developer page needs to be updated too: http://www.postgresql.org/developer/ -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian wrote: > The TODO link on the developer page needs to be updated too: > > http://www.postgresql.org/developer/ Done too (and a few other links to the TODO list that are on the website). Minor nit: the summer of code page says that the easy items are marked with a %, but that's no longer true. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
A Dimecres 20 Agost 2008, Alvaro Herrera va escriure: > Hi, > > Thanks to Brendan Jurd, who spent a lot of effort in creating useful > Mediawiki templates, we now have moved the TODO list to the Wiki site. > > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo Any chance of changing Easier and Done marks to others easier to find by a simple search with the browser? Maybe [E] and [D] would do. The old list had the same problem IMHO. > > I hereby kindly request the WWW team to update any references to point > to the new address; perhaps install a redirection in > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.TODO.html to the new location. > > The move has been approved by Bruce, the current maintainer. I hope > that he continues to maintain the new version. > > While many details have been sorted out during the move, being a wiki > there is nothing set in stone. Feel free to do changes like improve the > markup or the templates so that things look better (after appropriate > discussion), but if you intend to make changes like mark items > completed, add new items, or remove items, please email pgsql-hackers as > has been Bruce's tradition. > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. -- Albert Cervera i Areny http://www.NaN-tic.com
Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: > A Dimecres 20 Agost 2008, Alvaro Herrera va escriure: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks to Brendan Jurd, who spent a lot of effort in creating useful > > Mediawiki templates, we now have moved the TODO list to the Wiki site. > > > > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo > > Any chance of changing Easier and Done marks to others easier to find by a > simple search with the browser? Maybe [E] and [D] would do. The old list had > the same problem IMHO. The current idea Brendan has is to use a green circle for easy and a check mark for done. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
A Divendres 22 Agost 2008, Bruce Momjian va escriure: > Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: > > A Dimecres 20 Agost 2008, Alvaro Herrera va escriure: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks to Brendan Jurd, who spent a lot of effort in creating useful > > > Mediawiki templates, we now have moved the TODO list to the Wiki site. > > > > > > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo > > > > Any chance of changing Easier and Done marks to others easier to find by > > a simple search with the browser? Maybe [E] and [D] would do. The old > > list had the same problem IMHO. > > The current idea Brendan has is to use a green circle for easy and a > check mark for done. That doesn't make it easily searchable. Maybe I'm the only one, but every now and then I take a look at it, and there's no fast way of seeing what items have been done (and marked as easier). > > -- > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us > EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com > > + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Albert Cervera i Areny http://www.NaN-tic.com
Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: > A Divendres 22 Agost 2008, Bruce Momjian va escriure: > > Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: > > > A Dimecres 20 Agost 2008, Alvaro Herrera va escriure: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Thanks to Brendan Jurd, who spent a lot of effort in creating useful > > > > Mediawiki templates, we now have moved the TODO list to the Wiki site. > > > > > > > > The new official location for the TODO list is here: > > > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Todo > > > > > > Any chance of changing Easier and Done marks to others easier to find by > > > a simple search with the browser? Maybe [E] and [D] would do. The old > > > list had the same problem IMHO. > > > > The current idea Brendan has is to use a green circle for easy and a > > check mark for done. > > That doesn't make it easily searchable. Maybe I'm the only one, but every now > and then I take a look at it, and there's no fast way of seeing what items > have been done (and marked as easier). That is true, but text like "E" merges into the adjacent words. Frankly the puctuation symbols were a good solution, but not as slick as the bullet/checkmark suggestion. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian escribió: > Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: > > That doesn't make it easily searchable. Maybe I'm the only one, but every now > > and then I take a look at it, and there's no fast way of seeing what items > > have been done (and marked as easier). > > That is true, but text like "E" merges into the adjacent words. Frankly > the puctuation symbols were a good solution, but not as slick as the > bullet/checkmark suggestion. They did not merge with the text, but they were not searchable. May I suggest using the text "[easy]" and "[done]" instead? That way, it is searchable, and they don't merge with the text. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Alvaro Herrera escribió: > They did not merge with the text, but they were not searchable. May I > suggest using the text "[easy]" and "[done]" instead? That way, it is > searchable, and they don't merge with the text. I just made this change. What I now notice is that both markers are visually not very different. I don't know if this is something worth fussing about. (Maybe the addition of icons as Brendan was suggesting would be sufficient visual clue.) -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: > The TODO link on the developer page needs to be updated too: > http://www.postgresql.org/developer/ Also, is this page still sane? http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:Contents If it is, I suggest it be renamed to TodoDetail or some such. regards, tom lane
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:
> Alvaro Herrera escribi�:
>> They did not merge with the text, but they were not searchable. May I
>> suggest using the text "[easy]" and "[done]" instead? That way, it is
>> searchable, and they don't merge with the text.
> I just made this change. What I now notice is that both markers are
> visually not very different. I don't know if this is something worth
> fussing about.
Perhaps [Easy] and [Done] would look a little more different? Not sure.
regards, tom lane
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Alvaro Herrera escribi?: > > > They did not merge with the text, but they were not searchable. May I > > suggest using the text "[easy]" and "[done]" instead? That way, it is > > searchable, and they don't merge with the text. > > I just made this change. What I now notice is that both markers are > visually not very different. I don't know if this is something worth > fussing about. (Maybe the addition of icons as Brendan was suggesting > would be sufficient visual clue.) Looks OK. The only downside is that reading down the list now has the easy/done items shifted to the left, but that seems unavoidable. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
A Divendres 22 Agost 2008, Alvaro Herrera va escriure: > Alvaro Herrera escribió: > > They did not merge with the text, but they were not searchable. May I > > suggest using the text "[easy]" and "[done]" instead? That way, it is > > searchable, and they don't merge with the text. > > I just made this change. What I now notice is that both markers are > visually not very different. I don't know if this is something worth > fussing about. (Maybe the addition of icons as Brendan was suggesting > would be sufficient visual clue.) Thanks. Maybe setting [easy] in orange and [done] in green would solve that too. > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. -- Albert Cervera i Areny http://www.NaN-tic.com
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Alvaro Herrera escribió: > >> They did not merge with the text, but they were not searchable. May I >> suggest using the text "[easy]" and "[done]" instead? That way, it is >> searchable, and they don't merge with the text. > > I just made this change. What I now notice is that both markers are > visually not very different. I don't know if this is something worth > fussing about. (Maybe the addition of icons as Brendan was suggesting > would be sufficient visual clue.) > Based on the feedback so far, I have tried for a "best of both worlds" approach. The markers now include icons, which gives us visual distinctiveness, and I've abbreviated the labels to "[D]" and "[E]", which makes it very easy to search. I agreed with Bruce that it was a shame the markers bumped the actual item text over to the right. It looked uneven. So I applied a bit of CSS-fu and got the markers to appear to the left of the items. They now appear in a similar fashion to the bullets in an unordered list. Cheers, BJ
Hi, While we're on this topic, I think we need put a link at [1] heading directly to (Official) Todo [2]. What we have ATM is "Unofficial Todo Detail" that is rather inconsistent. We should rename it to "Todo Detail". Comments? [1] http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Development_information [2] http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo -- Euler Taveira de Oliveira http://www.timbira.com/
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:28:57 -0300 Euler Taveira de Oliveira <euler@timbira.com> wrote: > Hi, > > While we're on this topic, I think we need put a link at [1] heading > directly to (Official) Todo [2]. What we have ATM is "Unofficial Todo > Detail" that is rather inconsistent. We should rename it to "Todo > Detail". Comments? > > [1] http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Development_information > [2] http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo > > To my knowledge we do not have an Official Todo. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Euler Taveira de Oliveira wrote: > Hi, > > While we're on this topic, I think we need put a link at [1] heading > directly to (Official) Todo [2]. What we have ATM is "Unofficial Todo > Detail" that is rather inconsistent. We should rename it to "Todo > Detail". Comments? > > [1] http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Development_information > [2] http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo Agreed, we used to have an official TODO.detail in CVS but that is gone so I think removing the "Unofficial" word int he title makes sense. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +