Обсуждение: msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML
Dear Hackers,
First: I think I have sent out a msg with no body. I'm sorry, I have to communicate thru a weird Win98 machine, it gets things screwed up sometimes.
I would like to take up the translation of pgsql msg strings into slovak (sk_SK). It is fairly similar to czech (cz_CZ), so it should go quite fast. Please stand up, if you have any objections.
The other thing I wanted to ask:
I made the translation of parts of the 7.2 manual in slovak (tutorial, users manual, admin's manual almost ready) that time I thought I would publish it, but Bruce Momjian's book appeared in the bookstores a few weeks ago. I decided I would go on with the translation and use the sgml files (my translation was formatted as a LyX document) and a message translating program. I wanted to use KBabel, but that understands .po(t) files only. To have a .pot file I could use xml2po, but I need xml. I can convert sgml to xml myself, but it would be easier to have it done centrally - perhaps other languages would want their docs in their native language too. Once it is ready, the changes could be easily incorporated before the respective releases.
I remember having seen an email by Karel Zak on this topic, but I do not really remember the consequences, so someone could kindly enlighten me.
Cheers
Zoltan
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:29:14AM +0100, BARTKO, Zoltan wrote: > I would like to take up the translation of pgsql msg strings into > slovak (sk_SK). It is fairly similar to czech (cz_CZ), so it should go > quite fast. Please stand up, if you have any objections. If you don't want to waste time do it if the release 7.5 will at leastin beta, preferably in messages freeze state andnobody will modifyPostgreSQL messages. > I made the translation of parts of the 7.2 manual in slovak (tutorial, > users manual, admin's manual almost ready) that time I thought I would > publish it, but Bruce Momjian's book appeared in the bookstores a few > weeks ago. I decided I would go on with the translation and use the > sgml files (my translation was formatted as a LyX document) and > a message translating program. I wanted to use KBabel, but that > understands .po(t) files only. To have a .pot file I could use xml2po, > but I need xml. I can convert sgml to xml myself, but it would be > easier to have it done centrally - perhaps other languages would want > their docs in their native language too. Once it is ready, the changes > could be easily incorporated before the respective releases. Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he wantsto move directly to XML or uses on the fly conversionto XML by osx(sgml2xml). This conversion you try use by "make testxml" stuff in thedoc/src/sgml/Makefile. I tested it and it works -- but for exampleconversion from XML to PDF by "fop" failed, but it's might be fopproblem.Peter,what's your planns? Karel -- Karel Zak <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/
Karel Zak wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:29:14AM +0100, BARTKO, Zoltan wrote: > > I would like to take up the translation of pgsql msg strings > > into slovak (sk_SK). It is fairly similar to czech (cz_CZ), so it > > should go quite fast. Please stand up, if you have any objections. > > If you don't want to waste time do it if the release 7.5 will at > least in beta, preferably in messages freeze state and nobody > will modify PostgreSQL messages. Actually, we're still looking for people to finish (or start) their 7.4 translations, because that is what most people will be using for the longest time. When we near 7.5, we'll probably just copy over most of the 7.4 translations and start from there. > Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he > wants to move directly to XML or uses on the fly conversion to XML > by osx (sgml2xml). This conversion you try use by "make testxml" > stuff in the doc/src/sgml/Makefile. I tested it and it works -- > but for example conversion from XML to PDF by "fop" failed, but > it's might be fop problem. The general consensus is that FOP is simply not there yet. > Peter, what's your planns? Well, when people feel good about it, we can switch the stored format to XML. I'm not in a hurry, though, because what is there right now is almost equivalent. I've also tried out the po2xml thingy and it seems to work, but translating about 10000 strings seems to be a daunting task.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he > > wants to move directly to XML or uses on the fly conversion to XML > > by osx (sgml2xml). This conversion you try use by "make testxml" > > stuff in the doc/src/sgml/Makefile. I tested it and it works -- > > but for example conversion from XML to PDF by "fop" failed, but > > it's might be fop problem. > > The general consensus is that FOP is simply not there yet. Do you how idea how convert XML to "fo" or directly to "pdf"? > > Peter, what's your planns? > > Well, when people feel good about it, we can switch the stored format to > XML. I'm not in a hurry, though, because what is there right now is I feel good about it. The important thing is support in Makefiles XMLconversion to other formats like HTML, PDF andman. It's strange ifafter release almost nobody has idea how create PDF docs. > almost equivalent. I've also tried out the po2xml thingy and it seems > to work, but translating about 10000 strings seems to be a daunting > task. Be optimistic! ;-) Karel -- Karel Zak <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/ ________ Information from NOD32 ________ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Server. http://www.nod32.com
Having googled around I found this about Docbook to PDF conversion: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2000/article152.shtml no sign of fop. I hope it helps and that I am not mistaken when I claim the format is docbook. Cheers Zoltan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Zak" <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz> To: "Peter Eisentraut" <peter_e@gmx.net> Cc: "BARTKO, Zoltan" <bartko.zoltan@pobox.sk>; <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [HACKERS] msg translation into sk_SK, Docs: SGML -> XML > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > > Peter E. works on XML docbook version of docs. I don't know if he > > > wants to move directly to XML or uses on the fly conversion to XML > > > by osx (sgml2xml). This conversion you try use by "make testxml" > > > stuff in the doc/src/sgml/Makefile. I tested it and it works -- > > > but for example conversion from XML to PDF by "fop" failed, but > > > it's might be fop problem. > > > > The general consensus is that FOP is simply not there yet. > > Do you how idea how convert XML to "fo" or directly to "pdf"? > > > > Peter, what's your planns? > > > > Well, when people feel good about it, we can switch the stored format to > > XML. I'm not in a hurry, though, because what is there right now is > > I feel good about it. The important thing is support in Makefiles XML > conversion to other formats like HTML, PDF and man. It's strange if > after release almost nobody has idea how create PDF docs. > > > almost equivalent. I've also tried out the po2xml thingy and it seems > > to work, but translating about 10000 strings seems to be a daunting > > task. > > Be optimistic! ;-) > > Karel > > -- > Karel Zak <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz> > http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/ > > > ________ Information from NOD32 ________ > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Server. > http://www.nod32.com > >
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 06:33:09PM +0100, BARTKO, Zoltan wrote: > Having googled around I found this about Docbook to PDF conversion: > > http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2000/article152.shtml > > no sign of fop. > > I hope it helps and that I am not mistaken when I claim the format is > docbook. Yes, it's simular "jade" way that we use for SGML now. The "fop"advantage is direct conversion without huge TeX stuff. Karel -- Karel Zak <zakkr@zf.jcu.cz>http://home.zf.jcu.cz/~zakkr/ ________ Information from NOD32 ________ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Server. http://www.nod32.com