Обсуждение: Re: I am being interviewed by OReilly
pgman@candle.pha.pa.us (Bruce Momjian) wrote: > Lamar Owen wrote: >> If you doubt that fact, you need to read the archives for awhile to >> get a sense of how this project is organized. If the steering >> committee (the core six) decide against something, then that >> something _does_not_happen_. End of story. This is not a >> democracy. It is an oligarchy. Marc is one of the six oligarchs, >> so _Deal_with_it_. Bruce, another of the core six, has to an >> extent agreed with some of the difficulty of the current name. But >> how have the rest weighed in? Up until the last portions of this >> thread I might have agreed with you to an extent. But after I >> weighed the difficulty of actually pulling off a name change, I am >> dead set against it. It's too much effort for too little gain. > > I don't think you can just "shut down" a discussion about a name > change. Some good things are coming out of is, such as adding "also > called 'postgres'" to some of our documentation, and properly > mapping postgres.org/com to postgresql.org. > > I think there is room for an "also called postgres" push among our > users and for marketing. Oracle is changing the name of their > server all the time to position it for marketing so having a > secondary name doesn't hurt. Our _official_ name is PostgreSQL. > > (I personally voted for 'tigres' at the time we chose PostgreSQL.) Hear, hear! This is a _wonderful_ thing. Note that Netscape Navigator has been spelled many ways over the years, "but is always pronounced `Mozilla.'" While 'tigres' sounds quite nice, and strikes me as an attractive option were things open to a _completely_ new name, it hasn't the merit "postgres" has of: a) Being a historical name, and b) Being highly similar to the current name. There's NOTHING wrong with having a "legal name" as well as an "operating as" name; companies do that _all the time_. And if there are 20 places that say "It's officially spelled PostgreSQL, but you can _pronounce_ that 'p\O\st-"gres', and here's the MP3 of Bruce saying it," that can cope with the situation nicely. I have no problem with the "PostgreSQL" _spelling_, but how it sounds _is_ important, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect to do the "Cliff Richard" thing where the famous British pop star coined a name specifically so that he could regularly remind interviewers "No, no, not `Cliff Richards,' it's `Cliff Richard.' No 's' on the end!" Consider the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series. The first three books are _tremendously_ more popular than the later sequels, and I believe that is the result of them having been first 'honed' by being presented as radio plays. They actually _sound_ better than they "read." In contrast, later volumes like _So Long and Thanks for All the Fish_ never were on radio, and read _very_ differently, unfortunately not as nicely. -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.enworbbc@" "enworbbc")) http://cbbrowne.com/info/nonrdbms.html "One of my most often repeated quips was the one I made when former Presidents Carter, Ford and Nixon stood by each other at a White House event. 'There they are,' I said. 'See no evil, hear no evil, and ... evil.'" -- Bob Dole, 1983
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Christopher Browne wrote: > And if there are 20 places that say "It's officially spelled > PostgreSQL, but you can _pronounce_ that 'p\O\st-"gres', and here's > the MP3 of Bruce saying it," that can cope with the situation nicely. For the record, the voice on the MP3 isn't Bruce. It's the voice of a professional broadcaster. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo atPop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
How long did it take you to teach him to say PostgreSQL ? :) Jeff. -----Original Message----- From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of Vince Vielhaber Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:31 AM To: Christopher Browne Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgreSQL.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] I am being interviewed by OReilly On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Christopher Browne wrote: > And if there are 20 places that say "It's officially spelled > PostgreSQL, but you can _pronounce_ that 'p\O\st-"gres', and here's > the MP3 of Bruce saying it," that can cope with the situation nicely. For the record, the voice on the MP3 isn't Bruce. It's the voice of a professional broadcaster. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo atPop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote: > How long did it take you to teach him to say PostgreSQL ? :) Lessee, the conversation went something like this: Me: I need a wav file of you saying "PostgreSQL". Him: "PostgreSQL"? Me: Yeah. Him: Ok, I'll get it to you later today. Then after I made it available someone else did the MP3 conversion and I put that there as well. He caught on pretty quick! :) > > Jeff. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of Vince Vielhaber > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:31 AM > To: Christopher Browne > Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgreSQL.org > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] I am being interviewed by OReilly > > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Christopher Browne wrote: > > > And if there are 20 places that say "It's officially spelled > > PostgreSQL, but you can _pronounce_ that 'p\O\st-"gres', and here's > > the MP3 of Bruce saying it," that can cope with the situation nicely. > > For the record, the voice on the MP3 isn't Bruce. It's the voice of a > professional broadcaster. > > Vince. > Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo atPop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote: > > > How long did it take you to teach him to say PostgreSQL ? :) > > Lessee, the conversation went something like this: > > Me: I need a wav file of you saying "PostgreSQL". > > Him: "PostgreSQL"? > > Me: Yeah. > > Him: Ok, I'll get it to you later today. > > Then after I made it available someone else did the MP3 conversion > and I put that there as well. He caught on pretty quick! :) My experiences tend to be about the same ... worst case scenario, I have to show them where the syllables break down ... after that, they are generally fine ... > > > > > > > Jeff. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org > > [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of Vince Vielhaber > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:31 AM > > To: Christopher Browne > > Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgreSQL.org > > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] I am being interviewed by OReilly > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Christopher Browne wrote: > > > > > And if there are 20 places that say "It's officially spelled > > > PostgreSQL, but you can _pronounce_ that 'p\O\st-"gres', and here's > > > the MP3 of Bruce saying it," that can cope with the situation nicely. > > > > For the record, the voice on the MP3 isn't Bruce. It's the voice of a > > professional broadcaster. > > > > Vince. > > > > > Vince. > -- > ========================================================================== > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net > 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking > Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com > Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com > ========================================================================== > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org >