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speaking of 8.4...

От
John R Pierce
Дата:
is it looking like the simple replication will make it into 8.4?

if so, are there any docs or notes I could peruse on how this will
work?   what it will use to ship the WAL logs, etc ?   I've poked around
the -hacker mail list archives and not found too much on it.




Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
Fujii Masao
Дата:
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John R Pierce <pierce@hogranch.com> wrote:
> is it looking like the simple replication will make it into 8.4?

You mean the built-in synchronous replication feature? If so, no.
It was decided that synch-rep will be postponed to 8.5.

Regards,

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Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
Scara Maccai
Дата:
What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?

That's a shame...


----- Messaggio originale -----
> Da: Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
> A: pierce@hogranch.com
> Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Inviato: Martedì 24 febbraio 2009, 20:47:05
> Oggetto: Re: [GENERAL] speaking of 8.4...
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John R Pierce wrote:
> > is it looking like the simple replication will make it into 8..4?
>
> You mean the built-in synchronous replication feature? If so, no.
> It was decided that synch-rep will be postponed to 8.5.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
Dave Page
Дата:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Scara Maccai <m_lists@yahoo.it> wrote:
> What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?

Hot standby != synch-rep.

The former is still being reviewed, though it's starting to look like
it's cutting it pretty fine for inclusion in 8.4.

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Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
Tim Uckun
Дата:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Scara Maccai <m_lists@yahoo.it> wrote:
> What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?

Hot standby != synch-rep.

The former is still being reviewed, though it's starting to look like
it's cutting it pretty fine for inclusion in 8.4.


8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1.  Do we know what the tentative date of release is?

Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
"Joshua D. Drake"
Дата:
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:

>
>
> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1.  Do we know what the

All schedules are subject to change within the community :)

>  tentative date of release is?


When it is done of course.

Joshua D. Drake




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Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
Ron Mayer
Дата:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:
>>
>> [according to some page on the web site...]
>> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1.  Do we know what the
> All schedules are subject to change within the community :)
>>  tentative date of release is?
>
> When it is done of course.

Perhaps that should be the official position communicated in
the various places on the web site.

I do notice that the Press FAQ with it's Q4 2008 guess
is even more optimistic than the other page on the website
people seem to be finding that implies March.

http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/faq
  Q: When will 8.4 come out?
  A: Historically, PostgreSQL has released approximately
     every 12 months and there is no desire in the community
     to change from that pattern. So expect 8.4 sometime in
     the fourth quarter of 2008.


Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
"Joshua D. Drake"
Дата:
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 15:27 -0800, Ron Mayer wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:
> >>
> >> [according to some page on the web site...]
> >> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1.  Do we know what the
> > All schedules are subject to change within the community :)
> >>  tentative date of release is?
> >
> > When it is done of course.
>
> Perhaps that should be the official position communicated in
> the various places on the web site.
>
> I do notice that the Press FAQ with it's Q4 2008 guess
> is even more optimistic than the other page on the website
> people seem to be finding that implies March.
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/faq
>   Q: When will 8.4 come out?
>   A: Historically, PostgreSQL has released approximately
>      every 12 months and there is no desire in the community
>      to change from that pattern. So expect 8.4 sometime in
>      the fourth quarter of 2008.
>

Wow that must have been written some time ago I don't think anyone
thought we would hit that date in any recent (say last 6-8 months).

Joshua D. Drake


>
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Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
Ron Mayer
Дата:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 15:27 -0800, Ron Mayer wrote:
>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1. ...
>>
>> I do notice that the Press FAQ with it's Q4 2008 guess
>> is even more optimistic ...
>
> Wow that must have been written some time ago I don't think anyone
> thought we would hit that date in any recent (say last 6-8 months).
>

That press FAQ page is often sadly amusing.

Back in Jan 2008 that same page stated that 8.3 "would" come out
in July 2007:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2008-01/msg00235.php

But that's not nearly as sad as the Chinese FAQs that state that
the latest version of Postgres is 8.2.1 or 8.2.3 depending on
whether you prefer traditional or simplified writing styles.
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_simp.html
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_trad.html
And for german speakers, their newest is 8.2.5
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_german.html
Basically for all the languages you get a different "lateset"
release.

Surely these FAQ entries are doing more harm than good.

Can we please just update all of these to link to some page
where the actual latest version is instead; and replace the
forward-looking expectations with something that is less
misleading?


Re: speaking of 8.4...

От
"Joshua D. Drake"
Дата:
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 15:41 -0800, Ron Mayer wrote:

> Back in Jan 2008 that same page stated that 8.3 "would" come out
> in July 2007:
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2008-01/msg00235.php
>
> But that's not nearly as sad as the Chinese FAQs that state that
> the latest version of Postgres is 8.2.1 or 8.2.3 depending on
> whether you prefer traditional or simplified writing styles.
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_simp.html
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_trad.html
> And for german speakers, their newest is 8.2.5
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_german.html
> Basically for all the languages you get a different "lateset"
> release.
>

I can fix the press faq but the others will have to go to the
translators project.

Joshua D. Drake


> Surely these FAQ entries are doing more harm than good.
>
> Can we please just update all of these to link to some page
> where the actual latest version is instead; and replace the
> forward-looking expectations with something that is less
> misleading?
>
>
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