Обсуждение: majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?
Hello, I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists. I sent an email to postmaster@postgresql.org more than two months ago, also without any reaction. What should I do to spark someone's interest? Pls cc me on replies. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > Hello, > > I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve > my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists. the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem with mail deliver ... checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists are you trying to get onto? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
# scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
> >my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
>
> the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
> will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
> want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
> aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
> with mail deliver ...
>
> checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
> are you trying to get onto?
A copy of the message I sent to postmaster@postgresql.org last
december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
being required you need.
--
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
Hello,
I tried to subscribe to the doc mailing list on July 27th, with token
9E0C-7AF7-36CA. The request has been processed up to
: >>>> accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
: ---- The accept command for token 9E0C-7AF7-36CA succeeded,
: ---- but further approval is needed.
: ----
: ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
: ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
: ----
: ----
:
: Valid commands processed: 1
: 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
:
: Use the following command:
: sessioninfo d9a46448c54d3b48ad049e79e4c46dbaa9ee79f7
: to see technical information about this session.
Nothing happened since then.
I also tried to subscribe to general, hackers, perf, and sql on
September 24th, with tokens CA86-08AC-51A7, 225E-80E3-7C1A,
B43A-4209-5756, and 74A6-0E96-E08F, with exactly the same result.
Could someone point please process the requests?
--
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
# neuhauser@sigpipe.cz / 2006-02-26 20:15:20 +0100:
> # scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
> > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
> > >my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
> >
> > the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
> > will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
> > want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
> > aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
> > with mail deliver ...
> >
> > checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
> > are you trying to get onto?
>
> A copy of the message I sent to postmaster@postgresql.org last
> december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
> being required you need.
Please do let me know if I need to submit the subscription requests
identified in the email again. I'd really appreciate if someone did
help me through this.
BTW, my first never replied to email to people who should take care
of majordomo I could find is a mail sent to
pgsql-docs-owner@postgresql.org on Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
(Message-ID: <20050802224015.GD7082@isis.sigpipe.cz>).
--
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to each of them ... are you not receiving messages? On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > # scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400: >> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve >>> my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists. >> >> the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you >> will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do >> want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you >> aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem >> with mail deliver ... >> >> checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists >> are you trying to get onto? > > A copy of the message I sent to postmaster@postgresql.org last > december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval > being required you need. > > -- > How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? > You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. > Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
# scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:
> 'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to
> each of them ... are you not receiving messages?
I'm not receiving messages because I'm subscribed with nomail.
That's not the problem however. I want to receive the list traffic
to a different set of addresses, and that stalled ("the request must
be approved by the moderators"), as well as my attempts to gain
pgsql-docs-owner@'s and postmaster@'s attention.
Does anyone read mail for the pgsql-<list>-owner@ and postmaster@
aliases? Does anyone pay attention to the approval queue?
Anyway, here's a few snippets from my last year's email
conversations with majordomo@postgresql.org.
My subscription requests:
: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:17:37 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>
: To: majordomo@postgresql.org
:
: subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-perf#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-sql#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-docs nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-general nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-hackers nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-performance nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-sql nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
Majordomo replied with the usual batch of CONFIRM messages, one of
which was:
: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:39 -0300
: From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org
: To: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: Subject: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
:
: __
: The following request
:
: "subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz"
:
: was sent to
: by Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>.
:
: To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
:
: 1. If you have web browsing capability, visit
: <http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_confirm/domain=postgresql.org?t=CA86-08AC-51A7>
: and follow the instructions there.
:
: 2. Reply to majordomo@postgresql.org
: with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
:
: accept
: reject
:
: (The number CA86-08AC-51A7 must be in the Subject header)
:
: 3. Reply to majordomo@postgresql.org
: with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
:
: accept CA86-08AC-51A7
: reject CA86-08AC-51A7
:
: Your confirmation is required for the following reason(s):
:
: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> issued a command
: that affects another address (neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz).
:
:
: If you do not respond within 4 days, a reminder will be sent.
:
: If you do not respond within 7 days, this token will expire,
: and the request will not be completed.
:
: If you would like to communicate with a person,
: send mail to pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org.
I replied to that with:
: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:37:28 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz>
: To: majordomo@postgresql.org
: Subject: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
:
: accept
To which majordomo said:
: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:37:29 -0300
: From: majordomo-owner@postgresql.org
: To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz>
: Subject: Majordomo results: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
:
:
: >>>> accept
: ---- The accept command for token CA86-08AC-51A7 succeeded,
: ---- but further approval is needed.
: ----
: ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
: ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
: ----
: ----
:
: Valid commands processed: 1
: 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
:
:
: Use the following command:
: sessioninfo 12bbdbfc049f53e9c1782cc9c10c6310e23e504f
: to see technical information about this session.
And that was the end of the conversation, I'm still waiting for a
reply to my message to postmaster@ from December, and another one to
pgsql-docs-owner@ from last August (covering the same problem):
: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>
: To: pgsql-docs-owner@postgresql.org
: Subject: majordomo command processing problems?
:
: Hello,
:
: I tried to subscribe to pgsql-docs seven days ago:
:
: >>>> subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: ---- The subscribe command did not succeed.
: ----
: ---- The request
: ---- "subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz"
: ---- must be confirmed by
: ---- neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
: ---- and approved by the moderators. Confirmation instructions have been
: ---- mailed in a separate message.
:
: And then:
:
: >>>> accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
: ---- The accept command for token 9E0C-7AF7-36CA succeeded,
: ---- but further approval is needed.
: ----
: ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
: ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
:
: Can you please expedite the approval a bit? (Do you really approve all
: subscriptions by hand, or was my subscription attempt somehow
: "suspicious"?)
Is this a bug in majordomo, or in the postgresql.org setup?
Similarly, should I expect my possible future emails to the owner
and postmaster aliases to generate zero replies as well?
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> ># scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
> >>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> >>>I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
> >>>my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
> >>
> >>the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
> >>will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
> >>want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
> >>aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
> >>with mail deliver ...
> >>
> >>checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
> >>are you trying to get onto?
> >
> > A copy of the message I sent to postmaster@postgresql.org last
> > december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
> > being required you need.
--
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
Can you try something more recent then "last year"?
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> # scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:
>> 'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to
>> each of them ... are you not receiving messages?
>
> I'm not receiving messages because I'm subscribed with nomail.
> That's not the problem however. I want to receive the list traffic
> to a different set of addresses, and that stalled ("the request must
> be approved by the moderators"), as well as my attempts to gain
> pgsql-docs-owner@'s and postmaster@'s attention.
>
> Does anyone read mail for the pgsql-<list>-owner@ and postmaster@
> aliases? Does anyone pay attention to the approval queue?
>
> Anyway, here's a few snippets from my last year's email
> conversations with majordomo@postgresql.org.
>
> My subscription requests:
>
> : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:17:37 +0200
> : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>
> : To: majordomo@postgresql.org
> :
> : subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-perf#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-sql#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-docs nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-general nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-performance nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
> : subscribe-set pgsql-sql nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
>
> Majordomo replied with the usual batch of CONFIRM messages, one of
> which was:
>
> : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:39 -0300
> : From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org
> : To: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : Subject: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
> :
> : __
> : The following request
> :
> : "subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz"
> :
> : was sent to
> : by Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>.
> :
> : To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
> :
> : 1. If you have web browsing capability, visit
> : <http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_confirm/domain=postgresql.org?t=CA86-08AC-51A7>
> : and follow the instructions there.
> :
> : 2. Reply to majordomo@postgresql.org
> : with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
> :
> : accept
> : reject
> :
> : (The number CA86-08AC-51A7 must be in the Subject header)
> :
> : 3. Reply to majordomo@postgresql.org
> : with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
> :
> : accept CA86-08AC-51A7
> : reject CA86-08AC-51A7
> :
> : Your confirmation is required for the following reason(s):
> :
> : Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> issued a command
> : that affects another address (neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz).
> :
> :
> : If you do not respond within 4 days, a reminder will be sent.
> :
> : If you do not respond within 7 days, this token will expire,
> : and the request will not be completed.
> :
> : If you would like to communicate with a person,
> : send mail to pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org.
>
> I replied to that with:
>
> : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:37:28 +0200
> : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz>
> : To: majordomo@postgresql.org
> : Subject: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
> :
> : accept
>
> To which majordomo said:
>
> : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:37:29 -0300
> : From: majordomo-owner@postgresql.org
> : To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz>
> : Subject: Majordomo results: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
> :
> :
> : >>>> accept
> : ---- The accept command for token CA86-08AC-51A7 succeeded,
> : ---- but further approval is needed.
> : ----
> : ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
> : ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
> : ----
> : ----
> :
> : Valid commands processed: 1
> : 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
> :
> :
> : Use the following command:
> : sessioninfo 12bbdbfc049f53e9c1782cc9c10c6310e23e504f
> : to see technical information about this session.
>
> And that was the end of the conversation, I'm still waiting for a
> reply to my message to postmaster@ from December, and another one to
> pgsql-docs-owner@ from last August (covering the same problem):
>
> : Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
> : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>
> : To: pgsql-docs-owner@postgresql.org
> : Subject: majordomo command processing problems?
> :
> : Hello,
> :
> : I tried to subscribe to pgsql-docs seven days ago:
> :
> : >>>> subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : ---- The subscribe command did not succeed.
> : ----
> : ---- The request
> : ---- "subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz"
> : ---- must be confirmed by
> : ---- neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> : ---- and approved by the moderators. Confirmation instructions have been
> : ---- mailed in a separate message.
> :
> : And then:
> :
> : >>>> accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
> : ---- The accept command for token 9E0C-7AF7-36CA succeeded,
> : ---- but further approval is needed.
> : ----
> : ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
> : ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
> :
> : Can you please expedite the approval a bit? (Do you really approve all
> : subscriptions by hand, or was my subscription attempt somehow
> : "suspicious"?)
>
> Is this a bug in majordomo, or in the postgresql.org setup?
>
> Similarly, should I expect my possible future emails to the owner
> and postmaster aliases to generate zero replies as well?
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
>>> # scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
>>>>> I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
>>>>> my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
>>>> will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
>>>> want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
>>>> aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
>>>> with mail deliver ...
>>>>
>>>> checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
>>>> are you trying to get onto?
>>>
>>> A copy of the message I sent to postmaster@postgresql.org last
>>> december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
>>> being required you need.
>
> --
> How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
> Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
>
----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
# scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-27 16:32:55 -0400: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > > ># scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400: > >>'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to > >>each of them ... are you not receiving messages? (...) > Can you try something more recent then "last year"? Here's a copy of an email I sent you off list documenting stalled-for-approval requests from yesterday. : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:43:54 +0100 : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> : To: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> : Subject: Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored? : Message-ID: <20060227144354.GK65308@isis.sigpipe.cz> : References: <20060226182908.GB39348@isis.sigpipe.cz> <20060226143419.D1005@ganymede.hub.org> : Mime-Version: 1.0 : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii : Content-Disposition: inline : In-Reply-To: <20060226143419.D1005@ganymede.hub.org> : User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i : Status: RO : : Note: I've removed pgsql-general@ from the recipient list so as to : reduce clutter. Feel free to add it again for you reply if you feel : this is relevant on that list. : : # scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400: : > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote: : > >I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve : > >my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists. : > : > the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests : : The above is false under *certain circumstances*. Marc, can you : tell me what attribute(s) of these requests cause(s) majordomo to : wait for approval? : : I've just had this exchange with majordomo@postgresql.org (only the hackers : request is put here for brevity): : : : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:28:18 +0100 : : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> : : To: majordomo@postgresql.org : : : : subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz : : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz : : subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-perf#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz : : subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-sql#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz : : : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:28:18 -0400 : : From: majordomo-owner@postgresql.org : : To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> : : Subject: Majordomo results : : : : : : >>>> subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz : : ---- The subscribe command did not succeed. : : ---- : : ---- The request : : ---- "subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz" : : ---- must be confirmed by : : ---- neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz : : ---- and approved by the moderators. Confirmation instructions have been : : ---- mailed in a separate message. : : ---- : : : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:28:17 -0400 : : From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org : : To: neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz : : Subject: BC9A-BD57-4C44 : CONFIRM from pgsql-hackers (subscribe) : : : : __ : : The following request : : : : "subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz" : : : : was sent to : : by Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>. : : : : To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following: : (...) : : : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:29:11 +0100 : : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz> : : To: majordomo@postgresql.org : : Subject: Re: BC9A-BD57-4C44 : CONFIRM from pgsql-hackers (subscribe) : : : : accept BC9A-BD57-4C44 : : : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:29:13 -0400 : : From: majordomo-owner@postgresql.org : : To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz> : : Subject: Majordomo results: Re: BC9A-BD57-4C44 : CONFIRM from pgsql- : : : : : : >>>> accept BC9A-BD57-4C44 : : ---- The accept command for token BC9A-BD57-4C44 succeeded, : : ---- but further approval is needed. : : ---- : : ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators. : : ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done. : : ---- : : ---- : : : : Valid commands processed: 1 : : 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed. : : : : : : Use the following command: : : sessioninfo 530ce04b8a9f02fee27a58acb99d9cb88a092ae2 : : to see technical information about this session. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
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It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:
"Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@')."
Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
on the "List-ID" header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
as well.
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Greg Sabino Mullane greg@endpoint.com greg@turnstep.com
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# greg@turnstep.com / 2006-02-28 15:14:39 -0000:
> It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:
>
> "Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
> intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@')."
Which address? I see no whitespace in any of the addresses displayed
in my email.
> Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
> on the "List-ID" header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
> email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
> as well.
I'm switching away from header-based filtering because that breaks
from time to time because of version and/or configuration changes in
the software involved.
--
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 03:14:39PM -0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
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> It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:
>
> "Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
> intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@')."
>
> Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
> on the "List-ID" header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
> email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
> as well.
Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses.
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Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com
Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117
vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any
problems ... he's subscribed to the list:
%mj_shell -p xxxx who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz
neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
In fact, he's been registered since Jul '05:
Address: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
Address is valid.
Address Mailbox: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
Registered as neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
Registered on Wed Jul 27 06:44:37 2005
Data last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
Subscribed to 1 lists
pgsql-general:
Subscribed as neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
Subscribed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
Last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
Receiving each message as it is posted
Subscriber flags:
noeliminatecc
nohide
nohidepost
nopostblock
prefix
noreplyto
selfcopy
norewritefrom
noackstall
noackdeny
noackpost
noackreject
So I'm not 100% certain *what* the problem is :(
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Jim C. Nasby wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 03:14:39PM -0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
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>> It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:
>>
>> "Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
>> intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@')."
>>
>> Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
>> on the "List-ID" header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
>> email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
>> as well.
>
> Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses.
> --
> Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com
> Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117
> vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
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Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> writes:
>> Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses.
> Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any
> problems ... he's subscribed to the list:
> %mj_shell -p xxxx who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz
> neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
Is it possible that majordomo is pushing out the messages just fine, but
then something downstream (ie one of the forwarders) is puking on the
funny addresses? Not sure why you'd not be seeing bounce-backs if that
were it, but ...
regards, tom lane
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 07:30:58PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> writes: > >> Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses. > > > Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any > > problems ... he's subscribed to the list: > > > %mj_shell -p xxxx who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz > > neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz > > neuhauser@sigpipe.cz > > Is it possible that majordomo is pushing out the messages just fine, but > then something downstream (ie one of the forwarders) is puking on the > funny addresses? Not sure why you'd not be seeing bounce-backs if that > were it, but ... Another possibility is that the subscription code in majordomo has a different idea on valid emails than the code that accepts emails from members... -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roman Neuhauser replied to me: >> I suspect that the listserv is choking on the "#" symbol. This is >> undoubtably a bug in their software. For one thing, it should not >> have accepted the email address as far along as it did. > Eh? That email address is completely valid. Sure it is, but the mailing list software doesn't think so, or at least part of it does. What I meant by the above was that if the software was going to choke on the email address, it should have done so right away, instead of allowing it to get fully subscribed and then deciding that it was not valid at some other point in the workflow leading up to actually sending you some email. >> Well, all I can recommend then is perhaps trying an email address without >> the "#" sign if possible. > Funny thing, I've managed to sign to pgsql-general with the address > displayed above when I sent the very first subscribe command from > that address. That suggests that the bug shows up The address is fully subscribed to the list, both Marc and I can verify that. The problem is that it fails some other check when mail is sent to it. Why in the world that logic is not centralized, I cannot imagine. Marc wrote: > Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any > problems ... he's subscribed to the list: Marc, I was able to view that weird whitespace message by going to "Subcribers", entering "neuhauser" in the search box, and then "clicking"[1] on the troublesome name in question. [1] I actually use links, so there is no mouse clicking involved, but I've never been able to find a better verb to use there. :) - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200602282257 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEBRxDvJuQZxSWSsgRAjfbAJ4oowDAt5sweySUv+EsL476bmXj0ACfVDM9 1TAipT8ucu9yc2jODt8zcCU= =/Rql -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Let me start this email by saying thank you to whoever fixed the
problem. I found a bunch of "Welcome to..." / "Results from delayed
command" message pairs in my mail this morning, and a batch of
messages from each of sql, performance, and hackers mailing lists.
# scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-28 20:07:09 -0400:
> %mj_shell -p xxxx who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz
> neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
>
> In fact, he's been registered since Jul '05:
Yes, that was the date I first received "must be approved by
maintainers" messages. However, I didn't receive any email to that
address until Monday when I retried the same
subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
command, only this time I sent it from the neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
address, not neuhauser@sigpipe.cz. A few minutes later, I had
majordomo's welcome to and the traffic started flowing in. My other
subscriptions (sql, hackers, performance) were in limbo until this
morning (CET).
> Address: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> Address is valid.
> Address Mailbox: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> Registered as
> neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> Registered on Wed Jul 27 06:44:37 2005
> Data last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
> Subscribed to 1 lists
>
> pgsql-general:
> Subscribed as neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
> Subscribed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
> Last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
> Receiving each message as it is posted
> Subscriber flags:
> prefix
That's strange, as you can see above, the command I sent was
"subscribe-set $list noprefix", yet the listing shows prefix. I can
confirm that messages I receive from all the lists have munged
subjects, although I used subscribe-set noprefix in all
subscriptions.
> So I'm not 100% certain *what* the problem is :(
majordomo claimed I was subscribed, but didn't send me the traffic.
# greg@turnstep.com / 2006-03-01 04:07:13 -0000:
> Marc, I was able to view that weird whitespace message by going to
> "Subcribers", entering "neuhauser" in the search box, and then "clicking"[1]
> on the troublesome name in question.
> Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com
That's a completely different bug, the web interface doesn't escape
the +, which is then interpreted as urlencoded space. You might want
to make sure that the web interface protects the addresses it uses
as request parameters by encoding / decoding them according to
RFC1738. Otherwise, malicious users might be able to use specially
crafted email addresses as trojan horses.
Again, thanks for approving the subscriptions.
--
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
In article <20060226182908.GB39348@isis.sigpipe.cz>, Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> wrote: >I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve >my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists. I stopped getting any mail from postgresql.org last fall. Repeated attempts to subscribe have all been met with silence. Something appears to have changed.
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Rick Ellis wrote: > In article <20060226182908.GB39348@isis.sigpipe.cz>, > Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> wrote: > >> I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve >> my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists. > > I stopped getting any mail from postgresql.org last fall. Repeated > attempts to subscribe have all been met with silence. Something > appears to have changed. So how did you get this message? :( ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
In article <20060309183336.O1178@ganymede.hub.org>, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> wrote: >So how did you get this message? :( Via Usenet. -- http://yosemitephotos.net/
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