Обсуждение: Firebird vrs Postgresql
Hello, had Somebody compared Postgresql vrs Firebird? What is the main diferent between this DBs? performance? support? flexibility?. Best Regards! -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBD3AVWoRBACodcxl03gUoJOqgzRfAheGLKeri8MdDy8F3fX/LwIihpWQMwh6 goSEhp6f+VkINDJ3cX3OgTYVAIJLBrzzka2wbDHnTv9A7j8+VB4Nh2ZY9RrcZdxX g2z2NNdWVmxLPKTK+wbTXFsyLtj2IR0TASQdJKOL+VX6W7N/LYY2Mz4AXwCg8DC3 8cBi8P2ld48Un/Gvl1s/xHkD/j4r3WCsDGAzof2FiZ3wOkP9fgPbOk7v20FdXhOA hjmGY7GCb0tsEPALPj2St3BKVgTH7iJ08us9lIx9Kux9XV1ZhlkZr1G3A0bkgUfk Fcmih3FWmbV88Z4JFB1vhsrCFzgq3PHu5Wy37ObhpoVbs9ajo9vX09xZAL4SYq6o 7STAA/9UYgUwbB8fzG68Z7WLG8SDgEy5AL9ObHIUri+HeIHGSMtbjcksIMXkL1L5 CedPJDf/tphWrgvgROSWALJOvwc8cDAX/iwWyzAtmj+X8Xbx1QS0OJc8yPk4j9VI Fp7zusVbRprBaIuk3ur29WbDCGFUpkyBTIdxjyw04P+sjcIxObQtRXJpY2sgRGVu bmlzIChlRGVubmlzKSA8ZWRlbm5pc0Byb290c2hlbGwuYmU+iFcEExECABcFAj3A VWoFCwcKAwQDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRBAR/8wlx6vQEk5AJ0fK5oMOR7Xhh6ZU4qB Q4eFq6a/uQCcCgQ42duQ/0qgsmnu/aBcEi0EtHO5AQ0EPcBVbhAEAORKwkRPWpS5 qDe35p97UTcD2T2Oe2q29U2MV9Z5eDM5oPWYpXhGyIsKVUW2UyVpWfbVvLQfWVO+ ehfoDBHPI0GUZoOjjGBmwprII8hVc+YpJHnjTkB7ZoxNUlwCamuYXlNmQr6saQZO sfCJO9og64+25/OGZXmd2oOC/C1qeYmTAAMFA/4xRwY6r5m03lZI1hdlR/9PzC01 ZD46bTrhIYFAeZZmyVbsttmz3A0/gMxj2sxaHoFnQE4QO3xqAV8k2KvxNzArEuj/ rpu6SaFTBG+u7ikkkCb1hCgukF6kKIAZKP9QSsTGFVgBaUlaT6PLm7LMHq2Mauap OfztGsOfayzARNwu0IhGBBgRAgAGBQI9wFVuAAoJEEBH/zCXHq9A9FkAnjVE9wCa i1Gau6ypIxomane6UD3NAKDkl1ulR3iEsdy8fF99Oo95tSkawg== =86sd -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
> -----Original Message----- > From: Erick Dennis [mailto:edennis@rootshell.be] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:27 PM > To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: [GENERAL] Firebird vrs Postgresql > > > Hello, > > had Somebody compared Postgresql vrs Firebird? What is the main > diferent between this DBs? performance? support? flexibility?. >> Biggest similarity: Open source Biggest difference: License type (Firebird is commercial) Performance: No idea. Here is a simple test someone did: http://php.weblogs.com/oracle_mysql_performance <<
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:26:54PM +0200, Erick Dennis wrote: > had Somebody compared Postgresql vrs Firebird? What is the main > diferent between this DBs? performance? support? flexibility?. I've heard from two different and unrelated sources that Firebird corrupted data for them; the only way out was with backups. They didn't have problems with PostgreSQL, so I guess that make it unlikely that the problem was hardware issues. I'm also told that Firebird's numerical datatypes handling is horrible. I don't have personal experience with it though. -- Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]dcc.uchile.cl>) "Crear es tan dificil como ser libre" (Elsa Triolet)
I'm not sure this is still the case, but I recently chose PostgreSQL over Firebird because Firebird requires direct access to the database file. There is no way to access it via TCP/IP with drivers, etc. That killed Firebird in my mind. Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erick Dennis" <edennis@rootshell.be> To: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [GENERAL] Firebird vrs Postgresql > Hello, > > had Somebody compared Postgresql vrs Firebird? What is the main > diferent between this DBs? performance? support? flexibility?. > > Best Regards!
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From: "Dann Corbit" <DCorbit@connx.com>
To: "Erick Dennis" <edennis@rootshell.be>; <pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Firebird vrs Postgresql
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erick Dennis [mailto:edennis@rootshell.be]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: [GENERAL] Firebird vrs Postgresql
>
>
> Hello,
>
> had Somebody compared Postgresql vrs Firebird? What is the main
> diferent between this DBs? performance? support? flexibility?.
>>
>Biggest similarity:
>Open source
>Biggest difference:
>License type (Firebird is commercial)
Not quite, it is published under "Interbase Public License", and You do not
need to pay anything to use it.
I was playing a little with it, tried it on Linux and Windows. It was
the time when it was under heavy development, but I remember that I liked
it's client interface. There were also a whole bunch of useful tools like
IBObjects, IBAcess etc. So if You are Delphi or Borland C++ programmer,
You'll hardly find better interfaces and better tools for any other DB
(IBObjects has very complex and very good data-aware components).
I find PostgreSQL more robust, secure and what is most important -
flexible. You can create your own types, casts, conversions, languages etc.
For example check for "pgbash" package and You'll se what I mean (it is bash
with direct support for executing SQL commands for PostgreSQL)
What I like with postgres is that You do not need commercial support for it:
You will always get answer on Your questions, all You need to do is ask.
Regards !
В Втр, 15.07.2003, в 23:32, Derek Hamilton пишет: > I'm not sure this is still the case, but I recently chose PostgreSQL over > Firebird because Firebird requires direct access to the database file. > There is no way to access it via TCP/IP with drivers, etc. That killed > Firebird in my mind. It's not like that anymore, you "just" need to know the path to the database file on the remote server. It has the ability to spread a database over several files to overcome OS limitations to the file size, but it's not transparent iirc. Firebirds concept of a database name in PostgreSQL is a filename on the servers file system. Other that that it's a serious database. -- Markus Bertheau. Berlin, Berlin. Germany.
On 16 Jul 2003, Markus Bertheau wrote: > Ð ÐÑÑ, 15.07.2003, в 23:32, Derek Hamilton пиÑеÑ: > > I'm not sure this is still the case, but I recently chose PostgreSQL over > > Firebird because Firebird requires direct access to the database file. > > There is no way to access it via TCP/IP with drivers, etc. That killed > > Firebird in my mind. > > It's not like that anymore, you "just" need to know the path to the > database file on the remote server. It has the ability to spread a > database over several files to overcome OS limitations to the file size, > but it's not transparent iirc. Firebirds concept of a database name in > PostgreSQL is a filename on the servers file system. Other that that > it's a serious database. I think that issue is being fixed in v 1.5, which is in beta right now.
--- Derek Hamilton <derek@capweb.com> wrote: > I'm not sure this is still the case, but I recently > chose PostgreSQL over > Firebird because Firebird requires direct access to > the database file. > There is no way to access it via TCP/IP with > drivers, etc. That killed > Firebird in my mind. > > Derek It's my understanding that direct access is one of the access modes that you can choose. Networked, client-server options are available. For what it's worth, when I looked at Firebird, I noted: 1. Multi-table updates were not available as a single SQL statement. There were programming work-arounds for this, of course; but why work so hard? 2. You could import a fixed-width data file; but not a delimited file. In PostgreSQL, you could COPY a data file that uses a single delimiter; but COPY does not handle fixed-width data files. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.) 3. Firebird is available for Windows and Unixish operating systems such as Linux, FreeBSD, etc. 4. I couldn't find the documentation to tell me where to start once I installed the database server. (This may have been obvious to a DBA.) (Regarding #3: What is the proper way to refer to Unix, Linux, FreeBSD, etc., collectively?) Have fun, Andrew Gould
On Wednesday 16 July 2003 00:32, Andrew Gould wrote: > 4. I couldn't find the documentation to tell me where > to start once I installed the database server. (This > may have been obvious to a DBA.) Here: http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&page=ibp_download there is a "Firebird Quick Start Guide" which provides useful orientation for the uninitiated (or those merely poking about ;-). Note that the docs are for 1.0x, some things described seem to have changed in the 1.5 betas. > (Regarding #3: What is the proper way to refer to > Unix, Linux, FreeBSD, etc., collectively?) Unixen, or possibly GNU/Unixen ? ;-) Ian Barwick barwick@gmx.net
On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 17:45, Ian Barwick wrote: > On Wednesday 16 July 2003 00:32, Andrew Gould wrote: > > > 4. I couldn't find the documentation to tell me where > > to start once I installed the database server. (This > > may have been obvious to a DBA.) > > Here: > http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&page=ibp_download > there is a "Firebird Quick Start Guide" which provides useful orientation > for the uninitiated (or those merely poking about ;-). Note that > the docs are for 1.0x, some things described seem to have changed > in the 1.5 betas. > > > (Regarding #3: What is the proper way to refer to > > Unix, Linux, FreeBSD, etc., collectively?) > > Unixen, or possibly GNU/Unixen ? ;-) Sun might get peeved at Solaris being clumped in as part of GNU/Unixen! -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: ron.l.johnson@cox.net | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | 4 degrees from Vladimir Putin +-----------------------------------------------------------+
On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 17:54, Darko Prenosil wrote:
> >Biggest difference:
> >License type (Firebird is commercial)
>
> Not quite, it is published under "Interbase Public License", and You do not
> need to pay anything to use it.
>
Anyone know if the license is approved by the fsf? Or to put it another
way just because you don't have to pay doesn't mean its free".
Robert Treat
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On 15 Jul 2003, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 17:45, Ian Barwick wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 July 2003 00:32, Andrew Gould wrote: > > > > > 4. I couldn't find the documentation to tell me where > > > to start once I installed the database server. (This > > > may have been obvious to a DBA.) > > > > Here: > > http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&page=ibp_download > > there is a "Firebird Quick Start Guide" which provides useful orientation > > for the uninitiated (or those merely poking about ;-). Note that > > the docs are for 1.0x, some things described seem to have changed > > in the 1.5 betas. > > > > > (Regarding #3: What is the proper way to refer to > > > Unix, Linux, FreeBSD, etc., collectively?) > > > > Unixen, or possibly GNU/Unixen ? ;-) > > Sun might get peeved at Solaris being clumped in as part of GNU/Unixen! True, but most Sun Sysadmins I know install all of the GNU utils right after they install Solaris. I think Sun has a seperate disk now with all the GNU stuff on it, don't they? Still, they might not find it too funny to be GNU/Solaris. :-)