Обсуждение: sun buys mysql
Here's the links, although don't expect much of a response of mysql's website, it seems to be under some strain. http://slashdot.org/ http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/ http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/press-release/release_2008_03.html http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/2008-0116/index.jsp?intcmp=hp2008jan16_mysql_learn Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN? regards Robert
On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Robert Bernier wrote: > Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN? Shhh! Josh's secret plan is that 2009 is when MySQL silently goes away! :P -- Decibel!, aka Jim C. Nasby, Database Architect decibel@decibel.org Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828
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Robert, > Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN? You could at least *look* at my blog. ;-/ http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/database/soup/archives/sun-acquires-mysql-21822 -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:04:57 -0800 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Robert, > > > Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN? > > You could at least *look* at my blog. ;-/ > > http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/database/soup/archives/sun-acquires-mysql-21822 > So basically you publicly know nothing except that you are still employed :P Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company: Since 1997, http://www.commandprompt.com/ Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate SELECT 'Training', 'Consulting' FROM vendor WHERE name = 'CMD' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHjkqCATb/zqfZUUQRAn37AJ0XtlXfIUyt2o43B0EPB54AIqdeFgCeNuPQ 4JUXckorpb2ertbX5QZEFow= =+CR3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
In response to Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>: > Robert, > > > Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN? > > You could at least *look* at my blog. ;-/ You blog? I didn't realize you had a firm enough grasp of the latest high-tech blogging technology to use it effectively. Aren't all the new blogs digital? Back in my day, they were analog ... I haven't figured out how to use these fancy new ones yet ... > http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/database/soup/archives/sun-acquires-mysql-21822 -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com
Josh, > So basically you publicly know nothing except that you are still > employed :P Heh. Yeah, I'm pretty limited on what I can say in public, Google-searchable forums. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
An observation and a question from a neutral party (me):
It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres.
Why don't you?
Seth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Robert,
>
>> Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN?
>
> You could at least *look* at my blog. ;-/
>
> http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/database/soup/archives/sun-acquires-mysql-21822
>
>
--
Seth Grimes Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
Intelligent Enterprise magazine (CMP), Contributing Editor
grimes@altaplana.com http://altaplana.com 301-270-0795
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Bill Moran wrote: > Aren't all the new blogs digital? Back in my day, they were analog ... > I haven't figured out how to use these fancy new ones yet ... Know what you mean, I've really been struggling to get the blog I write on punch-cards integrated into an RSS feed. -- * Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
Greg Smith wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Bill Moran wrote: > >> Aren't all the new blogs digital? Back in my day, they were analog >> ... I haven't figured out how to use these fancy new ones yet ... > > Know what you mean, I've really been struggling to get the blog I write > on punch-cards integrated into an RSS feed. Talk to Bruce, that sounds approximately like what he's doing. //Magnus
On 16/01/2008, Seth Grimes <grimes@altaplana.com> wrote: > An observation and a question from a neutral party (me): > > It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres. > > Why don't you? > > Seth so code without coders is nothing. Sun has MySQL code and has MySQL developers > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > Robert, > > > >> Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN? > > > > You could at least *look* at my blog. ;-/ > > > > http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/database/soup/archives/sun-acquires-mysql-21822 > > > > > > -- > Seth Grimes Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management > Intelligent Enterprise magazine (CMP), Contributing Editor > grimes@altaplana.com http://altaplana.com 301-270-0795 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >
Seth, > It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres. > > Why don't you? Do you know what "POSTGRES" stands for? "Post-INGRES". -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 14:02, Seth Grimes wrote: > An observation and a question from a neutral party (me): > > It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres. > > Why don't you? Actually, they pay attention to us. I have the impression that Ingres is more concerned leveraging existing technology for their market niche.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres.
>>
>> Why don't you?
>
> Do you know what "POSTGRES" stands for? "Post-INGRES".
Postgres had a more advanced, object-relational model at the time of its
creation, hence the "post" naming, but Postgres was never until perhaps
recently as robust as Ingres, giving lie to the "post" naming in other
senses. The emergence of Postgres did not mean that Ingres stood still.
I'm not convinced that Postgres is more robust than Ingres even now. But
hey, I'm monitoring this list in order to learn.
Myself, I was an Ingres DBA back in '87-'92 and I was aware of Postgres
from close to its start. I also used Illustra heavily in '96-'97 to help
create dynamic, templated Web sites for some very visible clients. For
example, I helped create the first Web site and on-line reservation system
for Radisson Hotels and other Carlson brands. (I also first used MySQL in
that era.) I maintained the Radisson site until it was replaced in 2000.
The client didn't want to migrate it to Informix, however, and
unfortunately Postgres was FAR from up to the job.
Seth
Seth Grimes wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> >> It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres.
> >>
> >> Why don't you?
> >
> > Do you know what "POSTGRES" stands for? "Post-INGRES".
>
> Postgres had a more advanced, object-relational model at the time of its
> creation, hence the "post" naming, but Postgres was never until perhaps
> recently as robust as Ingres, giving lie to the "post" naming in other
> senses. The emergence of Postgres did not mean that Ingres stood still.
Ha, that is a good one. ;-)
Standing still is pretty much what Ingres did while owned by Computer
Associates ("CA, where technology goes to die").
--
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com
+ If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Magnus Hagander wrote: > Greg Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Bill Moran wrote: > > > >> Aren't all the new blogs digital? Back in my day, they were analog > >> ... I haven't figured out how to use these fancy new ones yet ... > > > > Know what you mean, I've really been struggling to get the blog I write > > on punch-cards integrated into an RSS feed. > > Talk to Bruce, that sounds approximately like what he's doing. Magnus is alluding to the fact that I create my blogs XML feeds via a shell script that rips the data out of my HTML pages. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Seth Grimes wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >
> > >> It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres.
> > >>
> > >> Why don't you?
> > >
> > > Do you know what "POSTGRES" stands for? "Post-INGRES".
> >
> > Postgres had a more advanced, object-relational model at the time of its
> > creation, hence the "post" naming, but Postgres was never until perhaps
> > recently as robust as Ingres, giving lie to the "post" naming in other
> > senses. The emergence of Postgres did not mean that Ingres stood still.
>
> Ha, that is a good one. ;-)
>
> Standing still is pretty much what Ingres did while owned by Computer
> Associates ("CA, where technology goes to die").
Oh, let me add I used Ingres from 1989 to 1999 and liked it very much.
CA did try to do some things with Ingres. Certainly when Postgres
started community development in 1996 Ingres was more capabile and
stable, but Postgres is advancing faster than any other existing
database so Ingres and others just can't keep up with us.
--
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com
+ If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Jan 16, 2008 6:03 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> > Standing still is pretty much what Ingres did while owned by Computer
> > Associates ("CA, where technology goes to die").
In reality, it didn't stand still. They have added some good
enterprise-class features to it, especially in the past five years or
so.
> CA did try to do some things with Ingres. Certainly when Postgres
> started community development in 1996 Ingres was more capabile and
> stable, but Postgres is advancing faster than any other existing
> database so Ingres and others just can't keep up with us.
To be fair, I would say Ingres is still more stable. There are Ingres
systems running without issue since before the PostgreSQL community
began.
As for the statement, "Postgres is advancing faster than any other
existing database so Ingres and others just can't keep up with us."
Per release, several commercial database companies have added more
features and performance improvements to their products than PG has in
the last three-to-five years; so, I assume you are comparing to other
open-source databases?
--
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EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301
499 Thornall Street, 2nd Floor | jonah.harris@enterprisedb.com
Edison, NJ 08837 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/
On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 18:18 -0500, Jonah H. Harris wrote: > To be fair, I would say Ingres is still more stable. There are Ingres > systems running without issue since before the PostgreSQL community > began. I heard the latest release had "stability issues and performance problems". Someone tried to hire me recently to fix them for a government agency (I know which one also), until they found out my involvement with Postgres. -- Simon Riggs 2ndQuadrant http://www.2ndQuadrant.com
Folks, > I heard the latest release had "stability issues and performance > problems". Someone tried to hire me recently to fix them for a > government agency (I know which one also), until they found out my > involvement with Postgres. I'll tell you from benchmark testing that Ingres is definitely not the performance leader. Which is mystifying to me, given their large and fairly competent performance team. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Jan 16, 2008 8:32 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > I'll tell you from benchmark testing that Ingres is definitely not the > performance leader. Which is mystifying to me, given their large and > fairly competent performance team. My DBT-2 results of their latest GPL'd version show the same as well. -- Jonah H. Harris, Sr. Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1324 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 499 Thornall Street, 2nd Floor | jonah.harris@enterprisedb.com Edison, NJ 08837 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/
On Jan 16, 2008 8:26 PM, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 18:18 -0500, Jonah H. Harris wrote: > > > To be fair, I would say Ingres is still more stable. There are Ingres > > systems running without issue since before the PostgreSQL community > > began. > > I heard the latest release had "stability issues and performance > problems". Someone tried to hire me recently to fix them for a > government agency (I know which one also), until they found out my > involvement with Postgres. As I said, there are Ingres systems that have been running longer than PostgreSQL has existed. However, I don't know how stable their latest stuff is. -- Jonah H. Harris, Sr. Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1324 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 499 Thornall Street, 2nd Floor | jonah.harris@enterprisedb.com Edison, NJ 08837 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/
"CA, where technology goes to die."
Yeah, I heard Stonebraker utter that bon mot except that the occasion
would have been an Ingres user group meeting, before the sale of Ingres to
Sandra Kurtzig, hence of course before the sale to CA. I'm trying to
remember what software he was referring to. Ah, I know: Cullinet.
Thanks to Wikipedia for the list of CA's acquisitions. Stonebraker was
speaking with regard in particular to the rise & fall of Codasyl/IDMS.
By the way, I was surprised that there was no Wikipedia entry for Illustra
so I started one today, jotting down the essentials. It's too bad that
seemingly no Illustra work was rolled into Postgres but I guess IP
considerations got in the way.
Seth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> Seth Grimes wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Josh Berkus wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's interesting that you guys don't pay any attention to Ingres.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you?
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what "POSTGRES" stands for? "Post-INGRES".
>>>
>>> Postgres had a more advanced, object-relational model at the time of its
>>> creation, hence the "post" naming, but Postgres was never until perhaps
>>> recently as robust as Ingres, giving lie to the "post" naming in other
>>> senses. The emergence of Postgres did not mean that Ingres stood still.
>>
>> Ha, that is a good one. ;-)
>>
>> Standing still is pretty much what Ingres did while owned by Computer
>> Associates ("CA, where technology goes to die").
>
> Oh, let me add I used Ingres from 1989 to 1999 and liked it very much.
>
> CA did try to do some things with Ingres. Certainly when Postgres
> started community development in 1996 Ingres was more capabile and
> stable, but Postgres is advancing faster than any other existing
> database so Ingres and others just can't keep up with us.
>
>
--
Seth Grimes Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
Intelligent Enterprise magazine (CMP), Contributing Editor
grimes@altaplana.com http://altaplana.com 301-270-0795
Hi Josh,
ISTM that in your newly enriched position there are a set of interesting
possibilities:
MySQL storage module: PostgreSQL?
DB roadmap:
PostMySQL?
MySunGres?
PostInnoMySQL?
Thoughts?
- Luke
On 1/16/08 10:04 AM, "Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> Robert,
>
>> Hey Josh, how does this affect PostgreSQL at SUN?
>
> You could at least *look* at my blog. ;-/
>
> http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/database/soup/archives/sun-acquires-mysql-21822
"Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> writes: >> So basically you publicly know nothing except that you are still >> employed :P > > Heh. Yeah, I'm pretty limited on what I can say in public, Google-searchable > forums. That sounds almost like an invitation to have everyone contact you in personal emails... Probably not what you intended I imagine. -- Gregory Stark EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com Ask me about EnterpriseDB's RemoteDBA services!
Greg, > > Heh. Yeah, I'm pretty limited on what I can say in public, > > Google-searchable forums. > > That sounds almost like an invitation to have everyone contact you in > personal emails... Probably not what you intended I imagine. Yeah, actually that wasn't meant to go on the list. I punched the wrong "reply" button. So it's a good thing I don't tend to say much of anything by e-mail anymore that I'd want to call back. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Luke, > DB roadmap: > > PostMySQL? > > MySunGres? > > PostInnoMySQL? Wait, you forgot Derby: MyJavaGreSQL ;-) -- Josh Berkus San Francisco