Обсуждение: PostgreSQL Conference Fall 2007
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PostgreSQL.Org is having a one day technical conference in Portland, Oregon on October 20th 2007. The conference will be held at Portland State University, and like PDXPGDay during OSCON there will be a dinner and party afterward. If you are near the following metropolitan areas you are 2.5 hours or less away: San Francisco, Seattle, Denver, Phoenix, Portland. You do not want to miss this conference! All donations for registration to this conference will be going *directly* to PostgreSQL.Org via Software in the Public Interest, a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation . For more information please visit http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Joshua D. Drake - -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ UNIQUE NOT NULL Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG1eT+ATb/zqfZUUQRApx6AJwPDmPAt8BrLdfTyRkBU3t2KO0kZwCdGqGT jGBwjLwLwmzZDLOhTcgLQaI= =d69M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> PostgreSQL.Org is having a one day technical conference in Portland, > Oregon on October 20th 2007. The conference will be held at Portland > State University, and like PDXPGDay during OSCON there will be a dinner > and party afterward. This is wrongly advertised (and dead-linked) on the homepage of http://www.postgresql.org for 20th September. Somebody should tidy that up. Cheers, Stuart.
(this is not actually about the conference, but..) On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 02:28:30PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > PostgreSQL.Org is having a one day technical conference in Portland, What the heck is PostgreSQL.Org? Two things: First, our domain is postgresql.org. Not PostgreSQL.Org. That just looks weird and ugly, really. I thought we had previously agreed on not messing it up like that? Second, what does that refer to? AFAIK, we "refer to ourselves" as PGDG? In what way is this other designation different? //Magnus
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Magnus Hagander wrote:
> (this is not actually about the conference, but..)
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 02:28:30PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> PostgreSQL.Org is having a one day technical conference in Portland,
>
> What the heck is PostgreSQL.Org? Two things:
>
> First, our domain is postgresql.org. Not PostgreSQL.Org. That just looks
> weird and ugly, really. I thought we had previously agreed on not messing
I do not agree with you case suggestion.
> it up like that?
>
> Second, what does that refer to? AFAIK, we "refer to ourselves" as PGDG?
> In what way is this other designation different?
Nobody knows about PGDG except hackers.
Everyone knows what PostgreSQL.Org is.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
>
> //Magnus
>
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Magnus Hagander wrote:
> (this is not actually about the conference, but..)
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 02:28:30PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> PostgreSQL.Org is having a one day technical conference in Portland,
>
> What the heck is PostgreSQL.Org? Two things:
>
> First, our domain is postgresql.org. Not PostgreSQL.Org. That just looks
> weird and ugly, really. I thought we had previously agreed on not messing
> it up like that?
O.k. if this is the case then why the heck on the front page does it say:
PGDay, the first European PostgreSQL conference
Or is your complaint that I uppercased the O in .Org?
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Magnus Hagander wrote: > > (this is not actually about the conference, but..) > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 02:28:30PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> PostgreSQL.Org is having a one day technical conference in Portland, > > > > What the heck is PostgreSQL.Org? Two things: > > > > First, our domain is postgresql.org. Not PostgreSQL.Org. That just looks > > weird and ugly, really. I thought we had previously agreed on not messing > > it up like that? > > O.k. if this is the case then why the heck on the front page does it say: > > PGDay, the first European PostgreSQL conference > > Or is your complaint that I uppercased the O in .Org? I think the problem is that you uppercased letters in an url. As a suggestion, if you want to refer to the PostgreSQL community, why not just say "the PostgreSQL community"? That way you avoid getting the guys on their nerves. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
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Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> PGDay, the first European PostgreSQL conference
>>
>> Or is your complaint that I uppercased the O in .Org?
>
> I think the problem is that you uppercased letters in an url.
>
> As a suggestion, if you want to refer to the PostgreSQL community, why
> not just say "the PostgreSQL community"? That way you avoid getting the
> guys on their nerves.
Well honestly, I didn't even know it was a problem. I am of no opinion
either way. I can change it on postgresqlconference.org. I was just
trying to be as explicit as possible.
Joshua D. Drake
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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>>> PGDay, the first European PostgreSQL conference
>>>
>>> Or is your complaint that I uppercased the O in .Org?
>> I think the problem is that you uppercased letters in an url.
>
>> As a suggestion, if you want to refer to the PostgreSQL community, why
>> not just say "the PostgreSQL community"? That way you avoid getting the
>> guys on their nerves.
>
> Well honestly, I didn't even know it was a problem. I am of no opinion
> either way. I can change it on postgresqlconference.org. I was just
> trying to be as explicit as possible.
I have changed the PostgreSQL.org (man it is weird to type it that way)
verbiage on the conference site.
Joshua D. Drake
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
>
>
>
>
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"Joshua D. Drake" wrote: >For more information please visit http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Just to let you know: There seems to be a problem with the www subdomain: <http://www.postgresqlconference.org/> is OK, but <http://postgresqlconference.org/> shows only an empty directory. Rainer
On 30 Aug 2007 at 17:54, Rainer Bauer wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" wrote: > > >For more information please visit http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ > > Just to let you know: > There seems to be a problem with the www subdomain: > <http://www.postgresqlconference.org/> is OK, but > <http://postgresqlconference.org/> shows only an empty directory. It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until spring 2008. -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ Available for hire: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Langille wrote: > On 30 Aug 2007 at 17:54, Rainer Bauer wrote: > >> "Joshua D. Drake" wrote: >> >>> For more information please visit http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ >> Just to let you know: >> There seems to be a problem with the www subdomain: >> <http://www.postgresqlconference.org/> is OK, but >> <http://postgresqlconference.org/> shows only an empty directory. This is fixed. > > It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until > spring 2008. No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the registration form. That is all. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ UNIQUE NOT NULL Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG1vgLATb/zqfZUUQRArteAJ4kF8z8zLpu43/9TNPtwO5ZwQbeUwCcClU2 eDKE5+CAD6nqenDVtW6XfCU= =TrN7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 30 Aug 2007 at 10:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > On 30 Aug 2007 at 17:54, Rainer Bauer wrote: > > > >> "Joshua D. Drake" wrote: > >> > >>> For more information please visit http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ > >> Just to let you know: > >> There seems to be a problem with the www subdomain: > >> <http://www.postgresqlconference.org/> is OK, but > >> <http://postgresqlconference.org/> shows only an empty directory. > > This is fixed. > > > > > It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until > > spring 2008. > > No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the registration > form. That is all. PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I suggest another expression would be better suited. -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ Available for hire: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php
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Dan Langille wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2007 at 10:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until
>>> spring 2008.
>> No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the registration
>> form. That is all.
>
> PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I
> suggest another expression would be better suited.
Not to be unkind, but you named your conference an obvious abbreviation.
Considering the audience we can expect that there will be no confusion
between the two.
Joshua D. Drake
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:13:05AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dan Langille wrote: > > On 30 Aug 2007 at 10:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >>> It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not > >>> until spring 2008. > >> No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the > >> registration form. That is all. > > > > PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I > > suggest another expression would be better suited. > > Not to be unkind, but you named your conference an obvious > abbreviation. Considering the audience we can expect that there > will be no confusion between the two. I think it's a brand, and you can use a different one out of deference and to avoid confusion. :) Cheers, David. -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dan Langille wrote: > > On 30 Aug 2007 at 10:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >>> It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until > >>> spring 2008. > >> No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the registration > >> form. That is all. > > > > PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I > > suggest another expression would be better suited. > > Not to be unkind, but you named your conference an obvious abbreviation. > Considering the audience we can expect that there will be no confusion > between the two. Drake's is going to be "The PGCon". :-) -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Thursday 30 August 2007 13:28, David Fetter wrote: > I think it's a brand, and you can use a different one out of > deference and to avoid confusion. :) Come on Josh, pick another term. I know you have a large vocabulary, I've heard you use it! :-) Robert
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David Fetter wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:13:05AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I
>>> suggest another expression would be better suited.
>> Not to be unkind, but you named your conference an obvious
>> abbreviation. Considering the audience we can expect that there
>> will be no confusion between the two.
>
> I think it's a brand, and you can use a different one out of
> deference and to avoid confusion. :)
Well I already changed it to Pg Conference, as it really doesn't matter
to me but I would humbly ask then that he remove all references to "The" ;)
Joshua D. Drake
>
> Cheers,
> David.
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Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
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>> Dan Langille wrote:
>>> On 30 Aug 2007 at 10:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>>>> It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until
>>>>> spring 2008.
>>>> No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the registration
>>>> form. That is all.
>>> PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I
>>> suggest another expression would be better suited.
>> Not to be unkind, but you named your conference an obvious abbreviation.
>> Considering the audience we can expect that there will be no confusion
>> between the two.
>
> Drake's is going to be "The PGCon". :-)
I can't... Dan already has The PostgreSQL Conference labeled.
Although please, and this is important. This is not *my* conference. It
a PostgreSQL community conference. All registration donations are being
processed by Software in the Public Interest. All sponsorships are being
processed by Software in the Public Interest. 100% of all donations
collected are being processed by Software in the public interest.
I, and CMD are making zero dollars on this (although we are spending our
fair share to make it happen).
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:02:40AM +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> First, our domain is postgresql.org. Not PostgreSQL.Org. That just looks
> weird and ugly, really. I thought we had previously agreed on not messing
> it up like that?
<hat=dns-fair-expert>
I hate to tell you that every one of the following are exactly
equivalent for resolution purposes in the DNS:
PostgreSQL.org
postgreSQL.org
PostgreSQL.Org
PostgreSQL.ORG
POSTGRESQL.ORG
postgresql.org
PoStGrEsQl.oRg
And any other VaRIOus caPITalisation you care to think of. DNS is
case-preserving and not case sensitive. If you want people to find
you through the Web, it makes no difference at all.
</hat>
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On 8/30/2007 1:29 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Dan Langille wrote: >>> On 30 Aug 2007 at 10:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>>>> It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until >>>>> spring 2008. >>>> No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the registration >>>> form. That is all. >>> PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I >>> suggest another expression would be better suited. >> Not to be unkind, but you named your conference an obvious abbreviation. >> Considering the audience we can expect that there will be no confusion >> between the two. > > Drake's is going to be "The PGCon". :-) Maybe The PGConSQL ....
Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > I hate to tell you that every one of the following are exactly > equivalent for resolution purposes in the DNS: Sure - they're equivalent for resolution purposes; but not for human readers. Consider how you would read "ExpertsExchange.com" vs "ExpertSexChange.com". out loud. > PostgreSQL.Org In light of the ExpertsExchange example, how would you expect that to be pronounced? And if resolution purposes are all that matters, note that it seems that % nslookup 'www.\112ostgresql.org' gives me the same result.
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:00:58PM -0700, Ron Mayer wrote:
> Sure - they're equivalent for resolution purposes; but not
> for human readers. Consider how you would read
> "ExpertsExchange.com" vs
> "ExpertSexChange.com".
> out loud.
Yes, that's one of the canonical example problems with supposing your
trademarked name will appear correctly in the DNS.
> > PostgreSQL.Org
>
> In light of the ExpertsExchange example, how would
> you expect that to be pronounced?
"Postgres community", of course :) (More seriously,
"Postgress-queue-ell-dot-org", given that's how I pronounce it.)
A
> And if resolution purposes are all that matters, note that
> it seems that
> % nslookup 'www.\112ostgresql.org'
> gives me the same result.
Sure. (Although I'll point out that nslookup has been deprecated for
some years now, MSFT aside.)
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bruce@momjian.us (Bruce Momjian) writes: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Dan Langille wrote: >> > On 30 Aug 2007 at 10:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >> >>> It also mentions PGCon Fall 2007 at that URL. PGCon is not until >> >>> spring 2008. >> >> No it abbreviates PostgreSQL Conference to PGCon in the registration >> >> form. That is all. >> > >> > PGCon is pretty well recognized as another existing conference. I >> > suggest another expression would be better suited. >> >> Not to be unkind, but you named your conference an obvious abbreviation. >> Considering the audience we can expect that there will be no confusion >> between the two. > > Drake's is going to be "The PGCon". :-) Is this "putting the 'con' into PgCon"? :-) -- "cbbrowne","@","acm.org" http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/ Why are they called buildings, when they're already finished? Shouldn't they be called builts?