Re: Configuring synchronous replication

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Markus Wanner
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Re: Configuring synchronous replication
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Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Aidan Van Dyk <aidan@highrise.ca>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Aidan Van Dyk <aidan@highrise.ca>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Aidan Van Dyk <aidan@highrise.ca>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Aidan Van Dyk <aidan@highrise.ca>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Jesper Krogh <jesper@krogh.cc>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Csaba Nagy <ncslists@googlemail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Csaba Nagy <ncslists@googlemail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Csaba Nagy <ncslists@googlemail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous bikeshedding Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous bikeshedding Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous bikeshedding "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous bikeshedding "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Yeb Havinga <yebhavinga@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Aidan Van Dyk <aidan@highrise.ca>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Csaba Nagy <ncslists@googlemail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Configuring synchronous replication Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use a latch to make startup process wake up and replay Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Simon,

On 09/24/2010 12:11 AM, Simon Riggs wrote:
> As I keep pointing out, waiting for an acknowledgement from something
> that isn't there might just take a while. The only guarantee that
> provides is that you will wait a long time. Is my data more safe? No.

By now I agree that waiting for disconnected standbies is useless in
master-slave replication. However, it makes me wonder where you draw the
line between just temporarily unresponsive and disconnected.

> To get zero data loss *and* continuous availability, you need two
> standbys offering sync rep and reply-to-first behaviour. You don't need
> standby registration to achieve that.

Well, if your master reaches the false conclusion that both standbies
are disconnected and happily continues without their ACKs (and the idiot
admin being happy about having boosted database performance with
whatever measure he recently took) you certainly don't have no zero data
loss guarantee anymore.

So for one, this needs a big fat warning that gets slapped on the
admin's forehead in case of a disconnect.

And second, the timeout for considering a standby to be disconnected
should rather be large enough to not get false negatives. IIUC the
master still waits for an ACK during that timeout.

An infinite timeout doesn't have either of these issues, because there's
no such distinction between temporarily unresponsive and disconnected.

Regards

Markus Wanner

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