Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS)

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Joe Conway
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Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS)
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[Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Alvaro Hernandez <aht@ongres.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
RE: Threat models for DB cryptography (Re: [Proposal] Table-levelTransparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key) Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Alvaro Hernandez <aht@ongres.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar.ahmad@gmail.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Jeremy Schneider <schnjere@amazon.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Jeremy Schneider <schnjere@amazon.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Haribabu Kommi <kommi.haribabu@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Chris Howard <chris@elfpen.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig<postgres@cybertec.at>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3@lab.ntt.co.jp>
RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) andKey Management Service (KMS) "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and KeyManagement Service (KMS) Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
On 7/8/19 10:19 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> When people are asking for multiple keys (not just for key rotation),
> they are asking to have multiple keys that can be supplied by users only
> when they need to access the data.  Yes, the keys are always in the
> datbase, but the feature request is that they are only unlocked when the
> user needs to access the data.  Obviously, that will not work for
> autovacuum when the encryption is at the block level.

> If the key is always unlocked, there is questionable security value of
> having multiple keys, beyond key rotation.

That is not true. Having multiple keys also allows you to reduce the
amount of data encrypted with a single key, which is desirable because:

1. It makes cryptanalysis more difficult
2. Puts less data at risk if someone gets "lucky" in doing brute force


Joe

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