Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze

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Andrew Dunstan
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Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze
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PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze David Rowley <dgrowleyml@gmail.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres@gmail.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Pavel Borisov <pashkin.elfe@gmail.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Jesper Pedersen <jesper.pedersen@comcast.net>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres@gmail.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Jelte Fennema-Nio <postgres@jeltef.nl>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
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Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
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RE: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze "Hayato Kuroda (Fujitsu)" <kuroda.hayato@fujitsu.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
RE: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze "Hayato Kuroda (Fujitsu)" <kuroda.hayato@fujitsu.com>
Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>

On 2024-04-08 Mo 19:26, Tom Lane wrote:
> Andrew Dunstan  writes:
>> I quite like the triage idea. But I think there's also a case for being
>> more a bit more flexible with those patches we don't throw out. A case
>> close to my heart: I'd have been very sad if the NESTED piece of
>> JSON_TABLE hadn't made the cut, which it did with a few hours to spare,
>> and I would not have been alone, far from it. I'd have been happy to
>> give Amit a few more days or a week if he needed it, for a significant
>> headline feature.
>> I know there will be those who say it's the thin end of the wedge and
>> rulez is rulez, but this is my view.
> You've certainly been around the project long enough to remember the
> times in the past when we let the schedule slip for "one more big
> patch".  It just about never worked out well, so I'm definitely in
> favor of a hard deadline.  The trick is to control the tendency to
> push in patches that are only almost-ready in order to nominally
> meet the deadline.  (I don't pretend to be immune from that
> temptation myself, but I think I resisted it better than some
> this year.)
>
> 			


If we want to change how things are working I suspect we probably need 
something a lot more radical than any of the suggestions I've seen 
floating around. I don't know what that might be, but ISTM we're not 
thinking boldly enough.


cheers


andrew

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Andrew Dunstan
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