Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes

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Robert Haas
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Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes
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Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jim Nasby <jim@nasby.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Emanuel Calvo <3manuek@esdebian.org>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Emanuel Calvo <emanuel.calvo@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas@vmware.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes David Steele <david@pgmasters.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Peter Geoghegan <pg@heroku.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Pavan Deolasee <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon.riggs@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Kevin Grittner <kgrittn@ymail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon.riggs@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Pavan Deolasee <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Turning off HOT/Cleanup sometimes Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Simon Riggs  wrote:
> We already know that HOT is ineffective in areas of high contention
> (previous thread by me). Prior experience was that smaller tables
> didn't show much apparent benefit from using HOT either; its
> effectiveness was limited to medium and large tables being updated.
> The two already stated use cases that would apply are these ones

Do you have a link to that previous thread?  I don't happen to recall
that conversation.

I've found that HOT can be very important on smaller tables, so I'm
skeptical of that as a general conclusion.  What I think might be true
is that if VACUUM is going to hit the table often enough to make you
happy, then you don't really need HOT.  In other words, if the update
rate is non-zero but low, not too much cruft will accumulate before
the table gets vacuumed, and you may be OK.  If the update rate is
high, though, I think disabling HOT will be painful on a table of any
size.  There might be exceptions, but I can't think of what the are
off-hand.

-- 
Robert Haas
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company


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