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Fujii Masao
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Re: Synchronization levels in SR
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Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
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Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Ron Mayer <rm_pg@cheapcomplexdevices.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR marcin mank <marcin.mank@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Markus Wanner <markus@bluegap.ch>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Jan Wieck <JanWieck@Yahoo.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Jan Wieck <JanWieck@Yahoo.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Jan Wieck <JanWieck@Yahoo.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Jan Wieck <JanWieck@Yahoo.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Alastair Turner <bell@ctrlf5.co.za>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Alastair Turner <bell@ctrlf5.co.za>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Yeb Havinga <yebhavinga@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Florian Pflug <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Synchronization levels in SR Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@gmail.com>
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Simon Riggs  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 18:52 +0900, Fujii Masao wrote:
>
>> I guess that dropping the support of #3 doesn't reduce complexity
>> since the code of #3 is almost the same as that of #2. Like
>> walreceiver sends the ACK after receiving the WAL in #2 case, it has
>> only to do the same thing after the WAL flush.
>
> Hmm, well the code for #3 is similar also to the code for #4. So if you
> do #2, its easy to do #2, #3 and #4 together.

No. #4 requires the way of prompt communication between walreceiver and
startup process, but #2 and #3 not. That is, in #4, walreceiver has to
wake the startup process up as soon as it has flushed WAL. OTOH, the
startup process has to wake walreceiver up as soon as it has replayed
WAL, to request it to send the ACK to the master. In #2 and #3, the
prompt communication from walreceiver to startup process, i.e., changing
the poll loop in the startup process would also be useful for the data
to be visible immediately on the standby. But it's not required.

> The comment is about whether having #3 makes sense from a user interface
> perspective. It's easy to add options, but they must have useful
> meaning.

#3 would be useful for people wanting further robustness. In #2,
when simultaneous power failure on the master and the standby,
and concurrent disk crash on the master happen, transaction whose
"success" indicator has been returned to a client might be lost.
#3 can avoid such a critical situation. This is one of reasons that
DRBD supports "Protocol C", I think.

Regards,

-- 
Fujii Masao
NIPPON TELEGRAPH AND TELEPHONE CORPORATION
NTT Open Source Software Center

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