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Kevin Grittner
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Re: Last gasp
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4F83FCB10200002500046D70@gw.wicourts.gov
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Re: Last gasp (Christopher Browne)
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Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Michael Meskes <meskes@postgresql.org>
Re: Last gasp Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: Last gasp Will Crawford <billcrawford1970@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Last gasp Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Hannu Krosing <hannu@krosing.net>
Re: Last gasp Hannu Krosing <hannu@krosing.net>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Hannu Krosing <hannu@krosing.net>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Hannu Krosing <hannu@krosing.net>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Hannu Krosing <hannu@krosing.net>
Re: Last gasp Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Deprecating non-select rules (was Re: Last gasp) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Deprecating non-select rules (was Re: Last gasp) Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: Deprecating non-select rules (was Re: Last gasp) Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Deprecating non-select rules (was Re: Last gasp) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Deprecating non-select rules (was Re: Last gasp) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: Last gasp Joshua Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Joshua Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Last gasp Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Last gasp Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Joshua Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Last gasp "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg@turnstep.com>
Re: Last gasp Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Alex <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Alex <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Alex <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Alex <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Bug tracker tool we need (was: Last gasp) Alex <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan@kaltenbrunner.cc>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Alex Shulgin <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg@turnstep.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg@turnstep.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Wolfgang Wilhelm <wolfgang20121964@yahoo.de>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Aidan Van Dyk <aidan@highrise.ca>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Susanne Ebrecht <susanne@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg@turnstep.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Alex Shulgin <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Alex <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need (was: Last gasp) Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need (was: Last gasp) Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org>
Re: Bug tracker tool we need Alex <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Alex Shulgin <ash@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg@turnstep.com>
Re: Last gasp Hitoshi Harada <umi.tanuki@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Joshua Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Last gasp Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Josh Kupershmidt <schmiddy@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: Last gasp Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Peter Geoghegan <peter@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: Last gasp Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Last gasp Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Greg Smith <greg@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Last gasp Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Last gasp Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Re: Last gasp Hannu Krosing <hannu@krosing.net>
Re: Last gasp Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Christopher Browne  wrote:
> Robert Haas  wrote:
>> CommitFests are a time for patches that are done or very nearly
>> done to get committed, and a time for other patches to get
>> reviewed if they haven't been already.  If we make it clear that
>> the purpose of the CommitFest is to assess whether the patch is
>> committable, rather than to provide an open-ended window for it
>> to become committable, we might do better.
> 
> Yeah, I think there's pretty good room for a "+1" on that.
Yeah, +1 for sure.
One other sort of mechanical test which I think can and should be
applied to patches submitted to the last CF is that if *at the start
of the CF* the patch doesn't apply, compile, pass regression tests,
and demonstrably provide the functionality claimed for the patch, it
should not be a candidate for inclusion in the release.  A patch on
which the author is continuing to work even in the absence of review
should be considered a WIP "want feedback" submission; it should not
be allowed to constitute a "placeholder" for inclusion in the
release.  It's one thing if review turns up corner case bugs missed
by the author; it's quite another if there is a month or two of
solid development left to be done. The CF period is not the time for
"now I'll get serious about wrapping this up."
Perhaps we should have a concept of "feature
months" -- so that when we look at holding up a release with 20
features for two months so that one more feature can make it in, the
cost side of the equation is 40 feature-months, and the benefit is
10 feature-months.  (Remember, you can't count the added feature as
though it's there for a year before the next release if it holds the
release up.)
-Kevin

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