Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design

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Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design
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CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Heikki Linnakangas <heikki@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Merlin Moncure" <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Merlin Moncure" <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Csaba Nagy <nagy@ecircle-ag.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Hannu Krosing <hannu@skype.net>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Merlin Moncure" <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Hannu Krosing <hannu@skype.net>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Russell Smith <mr-russ@pws.com.au>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Simon Riggs" <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Hannu Krosing <hannu@skype.net>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan.deolasee@gmail.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Heikki Linnakangas <heikki@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Heikki Linnakangas <heikki@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>
Re: CREATE INDEX and HOT - revised design Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>


On 3/30/07, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:

Pavan, ISTM you have misunderstood Tom slightly.

Oh, yes. Now that I re-read Tom's comment, his plan invalidation
design and code, I understand things better.
 
Having the index invisible to all current transactions is acceptable.

Ok.
 
However, the other backends will not receive an invalidation event,
which means even when they start new transactions they will still not
see it, which is not acceptable.

Agree.
 

ISTM that the run-another-transaction-afterwards idea is the only one
that does everything I think we need. I really do wish we could put in a
wait, like CIC, but I just think it will break existing programs.

ISTM that the run-another-transaction-afterwards idea would have same
problem with plan invalidation. When the second transaction commits,
the relcache invalidation event is generated. The event may get consumed
by other backends, but the index may still not be usable to them because
their xid < xcreat. If no more relcache invalidation events are generated
after that, the backends would continue to use the cached plan, even
if index becomes usable to them later.
 
How about storing the snapshot which we used during planning in
CachedPlanSource, if at least one index was seen unusable because
its CREATE INDEX transaction was seen as in-progress ? In
RevalidateCachedPlan(), we check if snapshot is set in
CachedPlanSource and  check if we are now using a different snapshot.
This triggers plan invalidation and re-planning. This would also help us
to use index early in read-committed transactions even if the transaction
was started before CREATE INDEX committed.

Does this sound good ?

Thanks,
Pavan

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