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Andres Freund
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes
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20180825191717.wcplc6i6mf4zo4kq@alap3.anarazel.de
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Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes David Steele <david@pgmasters.net>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
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Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
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Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
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Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
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Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
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Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
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Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: SCRAM with channel binding downgrade attack Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Michael Banck <michael.banck@credativ.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andrey Borodin <x4mmm@yandex-team.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski <me@komzpa.net>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alexander Korotkov <a.korotkov@postgrespro.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alexander Korotkov <a.korotkov@postgrespro.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alexander Korotkov <a.korotkov@postgrespro.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alexander Korotkov <a.korotkov@postgrespro.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Brad DeJong <bpd0018@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Yaroslav <ladayaroslav@yandex.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jonathan.katz@excoventures.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alexander Korotkov <a.korotkov@postgrespro.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com>
RE: Postgres 11 release notes "Ideriha, Takeshi" <ideriha.takeshi@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Etsuro Fujita <fujita.etsuro@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Etsuro Fujita <fujita.etsuro@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Adrien Nayrat <adrien.nayrat@anayrat.info>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Adrien Nayrat <adrien.nayrat@anayrat.info>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Adrien NAYRAT <adrien.nayrat@anayrat.info>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Adrien NAYRAT <adrien.nayrat@anayrat.info>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes David Rowley <david.rowley@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Haribabu Kommi <kommi.haribabu@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
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Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Teodor Sigaev <teodor@sigaev.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Teodor Sigaev <teodor@sigaev.ru>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Andrew Dunstan <andrew.dunstan@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Postgres 11 release notes Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Hi,

On 2018-08-25 14:47:20 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Well, our normal logical is whether the average user would adjust their
> behavior based on this change, or whether it is user visible.  I thought
> it was a contrived-enough query that this was not the case, but I would
> be interested to hear what others think.

I think that's less "our" logic and more yours, that has become
established because you've done most of the major release notes for a
long time. I'm not trying to say that that's wrong or anything, just
that a lot of those principles grew organically without explicit
decisions.

I also think that the need of userbase have shifted - it used to be that
a lot more people couldn't migrate to PG for lack of features, but these
days we have a much larger userbase that has to migrate from version to
version on a regular basis.

Planner changes, in my experience, are *the* major hurdle in doing so
(leaving aside things like the 8.3 casting changes), because they have
the potential to drastically change performance. In a largely
unpredictable way.  So one of the first things you do after encountering
an issue while testing an issue during a migration, is to look through
the release notes whether that query could be affected by a documented
change.

Greetings,

Andres Freund

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