Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption

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Bruce Momjian
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Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption
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WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Konstantin Knizhnik <k.knizhnik@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Kenneth Marshall <ktm@rice.edu>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Toshi Harada <harada.toshi@po.ntt-tx.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] WIP: Data at rest encryption Antonin Houska <ah@cybertec.at>
"WIP: Data at rest encryption" patch and, 2 phase commit. Toshi Harada <harada.toshi@po.ntt-tx.co.jp>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Haribabu Kommi <kommi.haribabu@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig<postgres@cybertec.at>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Ants Aasma <ants.aasma@eesti.ee>
Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption Haribabu Kommi <kommi.haribabu@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 01:25:00PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > I think the big win of Postgres doing the encryption is that the
> > user-visible file system is no longer a target (assuming OS permissions
> > are bypassed), while for file system encryption it is the storage device
> > that is encrypted.
> 
> If OS permissions are bypassed then the encryption isn't going to help
> because the attacker can just access shared memory.
> 
> The big wins for doing the encryption in PostgreSQL are, as Robert and I
> have both mentioned on this thread already, that it provides
> data-at-rest encryption in an easier to deploy fashion which will work
> the same across different systems and allows the encrypted cluster to be
> transferred more easily between systems.  There are almsot certainly
> other wins from having PG do the encryption, but the above strikes me as
> the big ones, and those are certainly valuable enough on their own for
> us to seriously consider adding this capability.

Since you seem to be trying to shut down discussion, I will simply say I
am unimpressed that this use-case is sufficient justification to add the
feature.

--  Bruce Momjian          http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB                             http://enterprisedb.com

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