Re: Let's Do the CoC Right

David et. Al,
Sorry for top-posting but it's late, and I'm using lame outlook.
I haven't said anything recently, because I decided to open a bag of popcorn and enjoy the Coc debate.

If you read my earlier posts, you should know that I am vehemently against anything that sounds like
http://contributor-covenant.org. True I don't speak for all mixed race women or women or minorities or left-handers or
windowsusers, or whatever special interest group you think I belong to.  I speak for myself. 

I am especially disgusted by the people behind http://contributor-covenant.org.  They have done nothing but to silence
thevoices of minorities. That's being kind to them. 

A Coc if we have one, which I personally don't think we should, should assume all people are here because they find
PostgreSQLuseful and want to encourage  its use and extend its functionality. 

So like I have said before as an example PostGIS doesn't have a Coc listed on our website, but we do have this:
http://postgis.net/development/  "Getting Involved" section, which Paul Ramsey put together a while back, and made me
feelpretty welcome. 

Which essentially says - "we are individuals with a common love for this thing, get to know who we are, jump in to help
usand your voice will be heard." 
That's pretty much all I care about when getting involved in any  community.

Thanks,
Regina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajeev Bhatta [mailto:techie.rajeev@yahoo.in]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:00 AM
To: David E. Wheeler <david@justatheory.com>; pgsql-general <pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Let's Do the CoC Right

On Friday 22 January 2016 10:55 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
> Fellow PostgreSQLers,
>
> I can t help that there are a whole lot of white guys working on this document, with very little feedback from the
peoplewho it s likely to benefit (only exception I spotted in a quick scan was Regina; sorry if I missed you). I
suspectthat most of you, like me, have never been the target of the kinds os behaviors we want to forbid. Certainly not
tothe level of many women, transgendered, and people of color I know of personally, in this community and others, who
have.If those people are not speaking up here, I suspect it s because they don t expect to be heard. A bunch of white
guyswho run the project have decided what it s gonna be, and mostly cut things out since these threads started. 
>
> But a *whole* lot of thought has gone into the creation of CoCs by the people who need them, and those who care about
them.They have considered what sorts of things should be covered, what topics specifically addressed, and how to word
themso as to enable the most people possible to feel safe, and to appropriately address issues when they inevitably
arise,so that people continue to feel safe. 
>
> So I d like to propose that we not try to do this ourselves. Instead, I propose that we take advantage of the ton of
thoughtothers have already put into this, and simply: 
>
> * Follow the example of many other successful communities (Swift, Mono, Rails, and 10,000 others) and adopt the
open-sourceContributor Covenant, unmodified. 
>
>    http://contributor-covenant.org
>
> * Put this document in the root directory of the project as CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md, so that anyone who wants to
contributecan. It should also be listed on the main web site and referenced from appropriate places (such as the mail
listspages). 
>
> * Spell out a policy and procedure for enforcement and include it as a separate document, again in the Git rep and on
thesite. The reporting address should be included in the Covenant. The Covenant web site has links to a number of
existingguides we ought to crib from. 
>
> Best,
>
> David
>
Hi David, whatever be the race of the select few who built the CoC, the categorization of them as white is
inappropriate..The CoC is meant to be allowing free communication across all members of the community irrespective of
theircolor, race, sexuality, gender, nationality or for that matter whatever their personal viewpoint is. 

Additionally the CoC emails were sent to the entire group so it was open for all. I did not read the remainder of the
emailas classifying someone by anything is inappropriate. 

Thanks

Regards
Rajeev