Re: VACUUM vs. REINDEX

Hi Jeff,

Ah, okay.  I see what information you were looking for.  Doing a
VACUUM on the full DB, we get the following results:

----------------------------
INFO:  free space map: 885 relations, 8315 pages stored; 177632 total
pages needed
DETAIL:  Allocated FSM size: 1000 relations + 20000 pages = 178 kB
shared memory.
----------------------------

-William


At 05:22 PM 7/7/2006, you wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Jul 2006, William Scott Jordan wrote:
>
>>Hi Jeff,
>>
>>We are running ANALYZE with the hourly VACUUMs.  Most of the time
>>the VACUUM for this table looks like this:
>
>>INFO:  vacuuming "public.event_sums"
>>INFO:  index "event_sums_event_available" now contains 56121 row
>>versions in 2256 pages
>>DETAIL:  102936 index row versions were removed.
>>1777 index pages have been deleted, 1635 are currently reusable.
>>CPU 0.03s/0.16u sec elapsed 1.04 sec.
>>INFO:  index "event_sums_date_available" now contains 56121 row
>>versions in 5504 pages
>>DETAIL:  102936 index row versions were removed.
>>2267 index pages have been deleted, 2202 are currently reusable.
>>CPU 0.15s/0.25u sec elapsed 13.91 sec.
>>INFO:  index "event_sums_price_available" now contains 56121 row
>>versions in 4929 pages
>>DETAIL:  102936 index row versions were removed.
>>149 index pages have been deleted, 149 are currently reusable.
>>CPU 0.13s/0.33u sec elapsed 0.51 sec.
>>INFO:  "event_sums": removed 102936 row versions in 3796 pages
>>DETAIL:  CPU 0.31s/0.26u sec elapsed 0.92 sec.
>>INFO:  "event_sums": found 102936 removable, 35972 nonremovable row
>>versions in 170937 pages
>>DETAIL:  8008 dead row versions cannot be removed yet.
>>There were 4840134 unused item pointers.
>>0 pages are entirely empty.
>>CPU 5.13s/1.68u sec elapsed 209.38 sec.
>>INFO:  analyzing "public.event_sums"
>>INFO:  "event_sums": 171629 pages, 3000 rows sampled, 7328
>>estimated total rows
>
>Hmmm..I was looking for something that looks like this:
>
>INFO:  free space map: 109 relations, 204 pages stored; 1792 total
>pages needed
>DETAIL:  Allocated FSM size: 1000 relations + 20000 pages = 182 kB
>shared memory.
>VACUUM
>
>Maybe 7.4 doesn't give this?  Or maybe you need to run vacuumdb -a
>-v to get it?
>
>
>
>>----------------------------
>>
>>There are a few things in the second vacuum results that catch my
>>eye, but I don't have the skill set to diagnose the problem.  I do
>>know, however, that a REINDEX followed by a VACUUM FULL seems to
>>make the symptoms go away for a while.
>>
>>And I agree that we should upgrade to an 8.x version of PG, but as
>>with many things in life time, money, and risk conspire against me.
>
>You should still be able to use autovacuum, which might make you a
>little happier.  Which 7.4 version are you using?
>
>
>>
>>-William
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 04:18 PM 7/7/2006, you wrote:
>>>On Fri, 7 Jul 2006, William Scott Jordan wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi all!
>>>>Can anyone explain to me what VACUUM does that REINDEX
>>>>doesn't?  We have a frequently updated table on Postgres 7.4 on
>>>>FC3 with about 35000 rows which we VACUUM hourly and VACUUM FULL
>>>>once per day.  It seem like the table still slows to a crawl
>>>>every few weeks.  Running a REINDEX by itself or a VACUUM FULL by
>>>>itself doesn't seem to help, but running a REINDEX followed
>>>>immediately by a VACUUM FULL seems to solve the problem.
>>>>I'm trying to decide now if we need to include a daily REINDEX
>>>>along with our daily VACUUM FULL, and more importantly I'm just
>>>>curious to know why we should or shouldn't do that.
>>>>Any information on this subject would be appreciated.
>>>William,
>>>If you're having to VACUUM FULL that often, then it's likely your
>>>FSM settings are too low.  What does the last few lines of VACUUM
>>>VERBOSE say? Also, are you running ANALYZE with the vacuums or
>>>just running VACUUM?  You still need to run ANALYZE to update the
>>>planner statistics, otherwise things might slowly grind to a
>>>halt.  Also, you should probably consider setting up autovacuum
>>>and upgrading to 8.0 or 8.1 for better performance overall.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jeff Frost, Owner       <jeff@frostconsultingllc.com>
>>>Frost Consulting, LLC   http://www.frostconsultingllc.com/
>>>Phone: 650-780-7908     FAX: 650-649-1954
>>
>>
>
>--
>Jeff Frost, Owner       <jeff@frostconsultingllc.com>
>Frost Consulting, LLC   http://www.frostconsultingllc.com/
>Phone: 650-780-7908     FAX: 650-649-1954