Re: Database size stays constant but disk space keeps shrinking -- postgres 9.1

Steve --

----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Crawford <scrawford@pinpointresearch.com>
> To: Greg Williamson <gwilliamson39@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pgsql-admin@postgresql.org" <pgsql-admin@postgresql.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Database size stays constant but disk space keeps shrinking -- postgres 9.1
>
> On 09/27/2012 07:01 PM, Greg Williamson wrote:
>>  Steve (and others who replied):
>>  ...
>>    The other is a slimmed-down version of our production database, which
> gets
>>>  recreated hourly by a shell script which pulls data from remote
> servers, does a
>>>  pg_dump of the resulting 3 gig database, and then drops it.
>>>  ...
>
> Could you explain this process in more detail? Are you creating a new database,
> reading in data, dumping then dropping the whole database or just manipulating
> tables within an existing database?
> 

We create the database, and then use shell scripts to get a pg_dump -s of a production server and use that to create
tables,indexes, etc. 

Then a sequence of psql commands retrieves data from production, usually a subset of whatever table is being grabbed
basedon a slimmed down set of userids of interest, recency, etc. Mostly these get loaded as is i nto the tables in the
newdatabase; occasionally we build a temp table and do some simple joins to get the final results. 

When all these commands are done, we pg_dump the new database, compress it and make a tar file, and finally issue a
DROPDATABASE command. 

Takes about 20 minutes and runs once an hour.

>>>  Have you checked to see if there are any processes that have open
> handles to
>>>  deleted files (lsof -X | grep deleted). Deleted files won't show up
> in du
>>>  but won't release their disk space until the process exits. Perhaps
> a script
>>>  or scripts, even one of your hourly ones, that terminate when the
> server
>>>  restarts? You could save the output of lsof and ps immediately before
> and after
>>>  a restart and compare them.
>>>  
>>  lsof -X | grep deleted | wc -l
>>
>>  shows: 835 such files.
>>
>>  A couple:
>>  postgres   2540 postgres   50u      REG                8,3     409600     
> 93429 /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main/base/2789
>>  200/11816 (deleted)
>>  postgres   2540 postgres   51u      REG                8,3   18112512 
> 49694570 /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main/base/2789
>>  200/2791679 (deleted)
>>  <...>...
> I'll leave it to you and Tom to puzzle over the the postgres-related open
> files. Meanwhile, I'm a bit curious about the other 800+ and whether they
> are associated with scripts or processes that are connected to PostgreSQL.
> 

These all seem to be from two places -- repmgr (transient ) and this stats application.

> First, what is the output of "select * from pg_stat_activity;"? Are
> there connections you don't expect to see? If you force any of them closed
> (after checking with anyone who may be impacted), do you see any file handles
> released or disk-space freed?
>


Nothing unexpected, lots of IDLE connections (20-30, depending). We just tried a round of closing half of the stat
applicationconnections and it didn't seem to make a big difference. 


> Second, do any of the processes associated with the other open-but-deleted files
> relate to programs or scripts that connect to PostgreSQL? Next time you do a
> restart, do any of the processes exit or do any of the deleted files get closed?
> 

repmgr is now also a suspect, although from what I can see it keeps things in that state for nly a short while. But we
areinvestigating further. 

Everythng else connects via pgbouncer, so we are also wondering if the tcp_keepalive we added might be hurting us.

> I'm wondering if you have processes that connect to PostgreSQL which
> terminate and release their file-handles when PG is restarted.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>


Thanks for questions and the time -- still digging into this.

Greg