Re: 15,000 tables - next step

Michael Riess wrote:
>> Well, I'd think that's were your problem is.  Not only you have a
>> (relatively speaking) small server -- you also share it with other
>> very-memory-hungry services!  That's not a situation I'd like to be in.
>> Try putting Apache and Tomcat elsewhere, and leave the bulk of the 1GB
>> to Postgres. 
> 
> 
> No can do. I can try to switch to a 2GB machine, but I will not use 
> several machines. Not for a 5GB database. ;-)
> 
>> With 1500 shared buffers you are not really going
>> anywhere -- you should have ten times that at the very least.
>>
> 
> Like I said - I tried to double the buffers and the performance did not 
> improve in the least. And I also tried this on a 2GB machine, and 
> swapping was not a problem. If I used 10x more buffers, I would in 
> essence remove the OS buffers.

Increasing buffers do improve performance -- if you have enough memory. 
You just don't have enough memory to play with. My servers run w/ 10K 
buffers (128MB on 64-bit FC4) and it definitely runs better w/ it at 10K 
versus 1500.

With that many tables, your system catalogs are probably huge. To keep 
your system catalog from continually cycling in-out of buffers/OS 
cache/disk, you need a lot more memory. Ordinarily, I'd say the 500MB 
you have available for Postgres to cache 5GB is a workable ratio. My 
servers all have similar ratios of ~1:10 and they perform pretty good -- 
*except* when the system catalogs bloated due to lack of vacuuming on 
system tables. My app regularly creates & drops thousands of temporary 
tables leaving a lot of dead rows in the system catalogs. (Nearly the 
same situation as you -- instead of 15K live tables, I had 200 live 
tables and tens of thousands of dead table records.) Even with almost 
8GB of RAM dedicated to postgres, performance on every single query -- 
not matter how small the table was -- took forever because the query 
planner had to spend a significant period of time scanning through my 
huge system catalogs to build the execution plan.

While my situtation was fixable by scheduling a nightly vacuum/analyze 
on the system catalogs to get rid of the bazillion dead table/index 
info, you have no choice but to get more memory so you can stuff your 
entire system catalog into buffers/os cache. Personally, w/ 1GB of ECC 
RAM at ~$85, it's a no brainer. Get as much memory as your server can 
support.