Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?)

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Justin Pryzby
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Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?)
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pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (andmore?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (andmore?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (andmore?) Kyotaro Horiguchi <horikyota.ntt@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
Re: pg_stat_bgwriter.buffers_backend is pretty meaningless (and more?) Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>
On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 11:43:01AM -0800, Andres Freund wrote:
> On 2023-03-09 06:51:31 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 10:18:44AM -0800, Andres Freund wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On 2023-03-06 15:21:14 -0500, Melanie Plageman wrote:
> > > > Good point. Attached is what you suggested. I committed the transaction
> > > > before the drop table so that the statistics would be visible when we
> > > > queried pg_stat_io.
> > > 
> > > Pushed, thanks for the report, analysis and fix, Tom, Horiguchi-san, Melanie.
> > 
> > There's a 2nd portion of the test that's still flapping, at least on
> > cirrusci.
> > 
> > The issue that Tom mentioned is at:
> >  SELECT :io_sum_shared_after_writes > :io_sum_shared_before_writes;
> > 
> > But what I've seen on cirrusci is at:
> >  SELECT :io_sum_shared_after_writes > :io_sum_shared_before_writes;
> 
> Seems you meant to copy a different line for Tom's (s/writes/redas/)?

Seems so

> > https://api.cirrus-ci.com/v1/artifact/task/6701069548388352/log/src/test/recovery/tmp_check/regression.diffs
> 
> Hm. I guess the explanation here is that the buffers were already all written
> out by another backend. Which is made more likely by your patch.

FYI: that patch would've made it more likely for each backend to write
out its *own* dirty pages of TOAST ... but the two other failures that I
mentioned were for patches which wouldn't have affected this at all.

-- 
Justin


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