Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723

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Andrew Gierth
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Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723
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Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@postgresql.org>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 "Pavel Stehule" <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Michael Meskes <meskes@postgresql.org>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Michael Meskes <meskes@postgresql.org>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Tatsuo Ishii <ishii@postgresql.org>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 "Robert Haas" <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: WITH RECUSIVE patches 0723 Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Lane  writes:
[snip spec]

Just out of curiosity, since I don't have a copy of the spec handy, how
does the language for WITH compare to that for views?
Tom> I think this is a "must fix" because of the point about volatileTom> functions --- changing it later will result in user-visibleTom> semantics changes, so we have to get it right the first time.

I strongly disagree that this should be a blocking issue - the patch
as it stands is an insanely useful feature, allowing many real-world
queries to work which simply were not possible before without
resorting to procedural code or awkward database designs.
Tom> This isn't going to be a particularly simple fix :-(.  The basicTom> implementation clearly ought to be to dump the result of theTom> subquery into a tuplestore and then have the upper level readTom> out from that.

Which will be a serious pessimization in many common cases if you do
it all the time. Googling for examples of non-recursive WITH queries
shows that it is very widely used for clarity or convenience, in
contexts where you _don't_ want materialization.

Recursive WITH queries that self-join the recursion result seem to be
rare in practice.

-- 
Andrew (irc:RhodiumToad)

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