Re: tables referenced from insert...returning

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От Tom Lane
Тема Re: tables referenced from insert...returning
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Msg-id 7642.1214276096@sss.pgh.pa.us
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Ответ на Re: tables referenced from insert...returning  ("Michael Shulman" <shulman@mathcamp.org>)
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"Michael Shulman" <shulman@mathcamp.org> writes:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>> Multiple evaluations of NEW in the text of a rule are a great way
>> to cause yourself trouble --- consider what happens if there's
>> a volatile function such as nextval() involved.

> Ouch!  I didn't realize that multiple references to NEW were actually
> translated by the rule system into multiple *evaluations* of the
> supplied arguments.  Are there reasons one might desire that behavior?

Well, the rule system is fundamentally a macro-expansion mechanism,
and multiple-evaluation risks come with that territory.  There are
things you can do with macro expansion that can't be done any other
way, so I don't think that that decision was wrong on its face, but
certainly we've seen plenty of traps for the unwary in it.

I've occasionally wondered what a "rule system mark II" might look
like, but frankly I have no idea how to design one that has useful
functionality and fewer traps.

> I can think of simple situations in which one would *not* want such
> multiple evaluation.  For example, a rule on table1 which logs all
> modifications of table1 to table1_log would be naturally written as

> CREATE RULE log AS ON INSERT TO table1 DO ALSO
>   INSERT INTO table1_log (new_value,...) VALUES (NEW.value,...);

Except that NEW.* doesn't necessarily have any relationship at all to
what was actually put into table1 --- it'll just be the values that were
provided to the original "INSERT INTO view" command.  Your own example
showed the difference.  This sort of logging application is *far* better
served by triggers.

Perhaps the grail we're looking for is a rule-like syntax for defining
what are really triggers.  Not sure though...

            regards, tom lane

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