Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other

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Alvaro Herrera
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Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other
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20210113173343.GA31409@alvherre.pgsql
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[DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: PROC_IN_ANALYZE stillborn 13 years ago Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other David Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other "David G. Johnston" <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other "David G. Johnston" <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Anastasia Lubennikova <a.lubennikova@postgrespro.ru>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
On 2021-Jan-13, James Coleman wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:58 AM Michael Paquier  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 04:51:39PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > > I looked into this again, and I didn't like what I had added to
> > > maintenance.sgml at all.  It seems out of place where I put it; and I
> > > couldn't find any great spots.  Going back to your original proposal,
> > > what about something like this?  It's just one more para in the "notes"
> > > section in CREATE INDEX and REINDEX pages, without any additions to the
> > > VACUUM pages.
> >
> > +1.
> 
> I think one more para in the notes is good. But shouldn't we still
> clarify the issue is specific to CONCURRENTLY?

How is it specific to concurrent builds?  What we're documenting here is
the behavior of vacuum, and that one is identical in both regular builds
and concurrent builds (since vacuum has to avoid removing rows from
under either of them).  The only reason concurrent builds are
interesting is because they take longer.

What was specific to concurrent builds was the fact that you can't have
more than one at a time, and that one is what was added in 58ebe967f.

> Also that it's not just the table being indexed seems fairly significant.

This is true.  So I propose

    Like any long-running transaction, REINDEX can
    affect which tuples can be removed by concurrent VACUUM
    on any table.

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Álvaro Herrera                            39°49'30"S 73°17'W


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