Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck!
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Justin Pryzby
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Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck!
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20190421164022.GD14223@telsasoft.com
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Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! (Tomas Vondra)
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Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Peter <pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeremy Schneider <schneider@ardentperf.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gaetano Mendola <mendola@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gaetano Mendola <mendola@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gunther <raj@gusw.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: Out of Memory errors are frustrating as heck! Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:36:43AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Jeff Janes writes: > > The growEnabled stuff only prevents infinite loops. It doesn't prevent > > extreme silliness. > > > If a single 32 bit hash value has enough tuples by itself to not fit in > > work_mem, then it will keep splitting until that value is in a batch by > > itself before shutting off > > I suspect, however, that we might be better off just taking the existence > of the I/O buffers into account somehow while deciding whether it's worth > growing further. That is, I'm imagining adding a second independent > reason for shutting off growEnabled, along the lines of "increasing > nbatch any further will require an unreasonable amount of buffer memory". > The question then becomes how to define "unreasonable". On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 06:15:25PM +0200, Tomas Vondra wrote: > I think the question the code needs to be asking is "If we double the > number of batches, does the amount of memory we need drop?" And the > memory needs to account both for the buffers and per-batch data. > > I don't think we can just stop increasing the number of batches when the > memory for BufFile exceeds work_mem, because that entirely ignores the > fact that by doing that we force the system to keep the per-batch stuff > in memory (and that can be almost arbitrary amount). ... > Of course, this just stops enforcing work_mem at some point, but it at > least attempts to minimize the amount of memory used. This patch defines reasonable as "additional BatchFiles will not themselves exceed work_mem; OR, exceeded work_mem already but additional BatchFiles are going to save us RAM"... I think the first condition is insensitive and not too important to get right, it only allows work_mem to be exceeded by 2x, which maybe already happens for multiple reasons, related to this thread and otherwise. It'd be fine to slap on a factor of /2 or /4 or /8 there too. The current patch doesn't unset growEnabled, since there's no point at which the hashtable should grow without bound: if hash tables are *already* exceeding work_mem by 2x as big, nbatches should be doubled. Justin
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