Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions

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Alvaro Herrera
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Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions
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20190215160412.GA7354@alvherre.pgsql
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Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions David Rowley <david.rowley@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions David Rowley <david.rowley@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@enterprisedb.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Kyotaro HORIGUCHI <horiguchi.kyotaro@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions David Rowley <david.rowley@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Dmitry Dolgov <9erthalion6@gmail.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions David Rowley <david.rowley@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Dmitry Dolgov <9erthalion6@gmail.com>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions Jose Luis Tallon <jltallon@adv-solutions.net>
Re: Using POPCNT and other advanced bit manipulation instructions David Rowley <david.rowley@2ndquadrant.com>
On 2019-Feb-15, Tom Lane wrote:

> Alvaro Herrera  writes:
> > Ah, I understand it now:
> > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25683690/confusion-about-bsr-and-lzcnt/43443701#43443701
> > if you call LZCNT/TZCNT on a CPU that doesn't support it, it won't raise
> > SIGILL or anything ... it'll just silently compute the wrong result.
> > That's certainly not what I call a fallback!
> 
> Yeah, that's pretty nasty; it means there's no backstop for whether
> your choose function gets it right :-(

Hopefully other tests will fail in some visible way, though.  My fear is
whether we have such systems in buildfarm.

> Is POPCNT any better in this respect?

I couldn't find how is POPCNT encoded.  https://stackoverflow.com/a/28803917/242383

I did find these articles:
http://danluu.com/assembly-intrinsics/
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25078285/replacing-a-32-bit-loop-counter-with-64-bit-introduces-crazy-performance-deviati

This suggests that this all a largely pointless exercise at least on
Intel and GCC/Clang.  It may be better on AMD ... but to get really
better performance we'd need to be coding the popcnt calls in assembly
rather than using the compiler intrinsics, even with -mpopcnt, because
the intrinsics suck.

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