Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning

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Alvaro Herrera
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Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning
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20170215163411.7ozquqahgf64lvui@alvherre.pgsql
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[HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat@enterprisedb.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Yugo Nagata <nagata@sraoss.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat@enterprisedb.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat@enterprisedb.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Petr Jelinek <petr.jelinek@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Petr Jelinek <petr.jelinek@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat@enterprisedb.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat@enterprisedb.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: Documentation improvements for partitioning Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [HACKERS] Documentation improvements for partitioning Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Robert Haas wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Alvaro Herrera
>  wrote:
> > Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> >> Because partitions may have data.
> >
> > So would the table, were it not partitioned.
> 
> True.  I think the question here is: do we want to view the dependency
> between a partitioned table and a partition of that table as
> DEPENDENCY_NORMAL or as DEPENDENCY_AUTO?  With table inheritance, it's
> always been "normal" and I'm not sure there's any good reason for
> partitioning to make the opposite decision.

I think new-style partitioning is supposed to consider each partition as
an implementation detail of the table; the fact that you can manipulate
partitions separately does not really mean that they are their own
independent object.  You don't stop to think "do I really want to drop
the TOAST table attached to this main table?" and attach a CASCADE
clause if so.  You just drop the main table, and the toast one is
dropped automatically.  I think new-style partitions should behave
equivalently.

You can make the partition an independent entity, but if you don't
explicitly take that step beforehand, I don't see why we should see it
that way implicitly.

> The new partitioning
> implementation provides a user experience that is overall smoother
> than doing the same thing with inheritance, but it's not as if you can
> ignore the fact that your partitioned tables have sub-objects that are
> also tables.

Now that partitions are declarative, the underlying implementation could
change away from inheritance.  It's now just an implementation artifact.

-- 
Álvaro Herrera                https://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
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